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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

What is the Government’s and your understanding of the role of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

So do you think that the Parliament should get more money and have a higher budget?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

But the Parliament says that it does not currently have the capacity to scrutinise the existing commissioners. Should there be more MSPs to do that work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

That is a fine distinction, minister. You mentioned that the Parliament passed a vote, but some of those commissioners were certainly introduced when the Scottish National Party had a majority.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

It feels a little bit like the Parliament is the place where difficult things are parked. For instance, last week, we had an amendment from the Government on Michael Matheson’s iPad bill. The amendment was agreed to by Parliament, but it was lodged by the Deputy First Minister. It finished by calling on

“the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body to initiate an independent review of the Parliament’s complaints process to restore integrity and confidence in the Parliament and its procedures.”

That is not anywhere near being within the terms of reference of the corporate body.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

No, that is absolutely not what I am saying, but it is—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

I am asking whether the Government thinks that the scrutiny process that it has put in place for the legislation that it has introduced is effective, and whether the Parliament has the capacity to do that scrutiny.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

You have said that the Government would welcome a discussion on having a parliamentary review of commissioners in the broadest terms. Would it pause the creation of further commissioners pending such a review?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Michael Marra

The legislation has gone through under your Government, so it is something that you have asked them to do, but they do not have the capacity to do the thing that you have asked them to do, do they?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Michael Marra

I will continue in the same vein for a short period, if that is okay. The idea of assessing the outcomes is important. Jackson Carlaw said that MSPs would not be able to describe the activities or outcomes of a commissioner. It seems, from the evidence that we gathered, that the commissioners themselves are not particularly able to describe the outcomes of what the commissioners do either, and neither are some of the advocates who are asking for new commissioners. It appears, from the work that we have done, that the relationship between outcomes and the commissioners is a slightly vexed one.

10:45  

On your earlier point about transparency, there is, in my view, no real transparent, vigorous holding to account of commissioners for outcomes, is there? You are telling us that when they come to the corporate body and ask for budget and you do not drill down into what they have done with the money that they have been given. Are you saying that that should happen in other committees, but it simply does not?