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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Michael Marra

Multiyear settlements would be good, but multimonth settlements would be good, too. At the moment, it seems that projects are being thrown into turmoil in-year because, across the board, budgets are being cut in-year rather than from year to year. However, I am emphasising a slightly different point. I absolutely agree that longer-term, multiyear settlements can help to mitigate some of that but, at the moment, the management of public finances in Scotland is resulting in in-year chaos.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

Professor Heald, in the evidence that you have given today and in your submission, you have mentioned super-parity policies—which I will call “more generous policies”, in layman’s terms—and you raised that issue previously. On 8 March 2022, you said:

“This is the time when Scotland should take stock of where it is. One thing that I would like to see in the spending review is serious data on what the future spend on the above-parity programmes will be in the next five or 10 years.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 8 March 2022; c 5.]

However, you are here again, more than two years later, making the point about the gap around our more generous programmes and our lack of understanding of it. Is sufficient planning on understanding that gap and being able to express the difference so that we can plan for the future, even in the medium term, taking place?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

With regard to place-based opportunities and economic development in the Highlands, for instance, are there plans or strategies that will be able to deliver those kinds of jobs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

I will stick with the same issue. Last week’s announcements were a source of significant dismay for many people who were here to talk about a strategic approach to the budget, but what Richard Robinson has just said, on behalf of Audit Scotland, is that taking a set amount of money and using it to pay for recurring spending is a pretty short-term approach.

In October 2023, Audit Scotland said that

“The Scottish Government’s projections suggest that it cannot afford to pay for public services in their current form”

and that the Scottish Government’s approach to planning for future workforce and pay costs

“will not address current and future capacity challenges and is unlikely to balance public finances.”

Do you think that the Scottish Government has heeded those warnings?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

A year previously, in November 2022, Audit Scotland said that

“Rising costs and increasing demands mean that the Scottish Government has to closely and carefully manage its position”

and that

“The pace and scale of reform required across the public sector needs to increase.”

However, there does not seem to be any evidence that those warnings have been heeded. I have a list of various reports from Audit Scotland over the years, and it does not seem that the Scottish Government is responding to those in any way by looking at finances even in the medium term.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

What in-year adjustments in the budget externally required the most recent revisions last week?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

Those impacts are magnified by the fact that we have a larger public sector in Scotland and wages that are already higher than they are south of the border, so paying 5 per cent of a higher number and to more people is more significant.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

We took some very good evidence in Dundee recently from young people about their priorities for the Scottish budget. Their top priority was employment opportunities and careers. I was struck by the fact that that echoed evidence that we had taken from you on 19 September last year, Professor Heald, when you said that

“Having an economy that makes the people whom we have educated at great expense want to stay in Scotland”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 19 September 2023; c 15.]

would be your strategic priority. Is the Scottish Government succeeding in that regard on the basis of the evidence? That seemed to be one of the principal concerns of the young people whom the committee met in Dundee.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

Colleagues have commented on the significant reserves that are held by a small proportion of those universities. Some universities have significant reserves and others have next to nothing. There is a risk to employment and to the economic benefit to the whole country. You have a responsibility to represent the whole sector and to tell the good story about it. However, if there are significant job losses in some areas, the breadth of the sector in that regard will be a significant public policy challenge, will it not? It is also a challenge for you to represent coherently to us the risks that are at play.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Michael Marra

Would you recognise that having three years of emergency budget reviews, with very significant in-year changes, is very inefficient and certainly does not allow departments or public services to deliver against strategic outcomes? Other witnesses are shaking their heads.