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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee, Health Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting) [Draft]

Reducing Drug Deaths and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Michael Marra

I appreciate that, and we will have a more detailed conversation during that meeting, but I would like to get something on the record today. This has been a long-term project. I understand the challenges when it comes to licensing across the UK, and it is right that we are getting to the point of completion. I hope that that will make a big difference.

In Dundee, are any particular challenges arising with the university in getting that progress? Is there a sticking point that you would like to be unpicked in the next couple of weeks that would allow there to be an announcement, perhaps even prior to the recess?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

The situation feels more urgent than a transformation fund, because the universities are acting now. We see strikes and industrial action across the country on campuses, and there are significant job losses. Is there a mismatch between what you are describing, which seems to be a more gentle approach, and what your member organisations are doing, where there is a state of panic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

I was struck by the call for a transformation fund in the Universities Scotland submission. Back on 24 June, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills said in the chamber:

“I recognise that many institutions have, over recent years, worked proactively in response to a challenging operating environment to rationalise their operations, including their staffing levels. However, there is a need for our universities to reflect on the levels of growth that we have witnessed in some institutions during the pandemic in particular. Some of the planned job losses that are currently being experienced relate directly to that uncapped expansion; the costs that are being paid today are the unsustainable jobs that were created as a result of that.”—[Official Report, 24 June 2025; c 14.]

I think that that is essentially a green light to universities across Scotland to shed jobs, which is in contrast to your call for more investment to try to bridge the challenge, which Liz Smith rightly pointed to. Where do you think things are alighting now? Are universities taking the cabinet secretary’s advice, or are they waiting to try to find funding that can help them to make the change?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

We do not know what that infrastructure pipeline will look like, including how it will be laid out. Clearly, there will be a list of projects in some form. However, as Michelle Thomson and possibly also the convener have touched on, there is the issue of the level of capital investment. It is highly unlikely that £800 million will suddenly be available for that in that pipeline. Have you been making representations to the Government that you want to see a policy shift that might unlock capital possibilities for colleges, beyond just a list of projects? Is that part of the conversation ahead of the pipeline?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

That is a really useful comment on the diversity of the sector. I reflect that that diversity is probably not available in the college sector, but I recognise that there are challenges in universities.

The Scottish Government approved the mutual investment model—MIM—back in 2019, and it does not appear to have been used at all, whereas it has been used in Wales to build around 30 schools and colleges. Whether or not the Scottish Government decides to use it is really a policy question. It is my understanding that some investors are open to actively working in that kind of area. Dundee and Angus College is one example that is close to home for me. Have you had any indication, Lesley and Andy, that the MIM has been used or might be available?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

So the fine element would be dealt with separately and would not be added to the recovery process that you are describing.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

What do you do to try to recover money as a result of issues that are arising in Social Security Scotland right now?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

Let us hope that the position does improve.

I will move on to the fiscal sustainability delivery plan, which says:

“Social security statistics show a lower rate of adult disability benefit awards being ended or decreased at review ... we will assess whether the current award review process is working as intended and if any changes may be required.”

Can you update us on that piece of work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

That is not where I am coming from. I was quoting the Government—that quote came from the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, so the Government wants to see this done. Has a target figure been set for the amount of money that is to be saved in this area?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Michael Marra

The words that I quoted were in a financial document—the fiscal sustainability delivery plan—and the point was about savings. It was made under a headline that said that there would be a saving of £1 billion.