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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Given how you have presented some of your evidence today, you seem like a man who has a bit of a flair for language and presentation, as many people in your position would.

When you left, a copy of a book called “The Spy and the Traitor” was left on your desk at University House, where you had put your keys and staff card. Was that because you felt that there were traitors and you felt betrayed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

The sense that I got from the earlier conversation about your final departure was that you were not very happy about the whole thing. Why did the chair of court feel that you had to leave? Was it because you had caused the situation or because you were not part of the solution to the situation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Did she tell you why? “We have lost faith in you” must be about the fact that you had known—as you have set out in the evidence that you have given us today and as we have seen in the Gillies report—that the institution had very significant financial problems since, if we are being generous, early spring 2024.

I have been told by very senior colleagues of yours, such as Professor O’Neill, that there was complete inaction from you between the point that everybody knew and the point that you left in December. We have heard that no action was taken on voluntary severance. You thought that it should happen, but you could not deliver it, in your own words. In other evidence, we were told that you did not think that it should happen at all. The Gillies report says that there were moments when the university could have changed course but did not.

You were not able to deliver any such actions. How would you describe your actions over the period from spring to December, when you departed? What were you doing to try to save 3,000 jobs?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

This has been a catalogue of incompetence. Today’s meeting has been littered with the phrases “should have” and “could have”. Your successor, Shane O’Neill, has now left his post as principal because he is deemed to have been complicit in the debacle of your leadership and what has happened. Your predecessor but one—there was a small interim period within that—Andrew Atherton, also had to leave his position.

Do you think that there is a structural problem such that we cannot get proper leadership for this outstanding group of staff and students?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You started the evidence session by saying that

“The university found itself in an invidious financial situation.”

You put the institution in an invidious financial situation, did you not, through uncontrolled expenditure, a lack of ability to realise savings and a lack of realistic predictions around international recruitment? The jobs of 3,000 people are at risk, and the taxpayer is on the hook for £122 million, as a result of that grotesque level of failure. You have said that you apologise. Do you take responsibility for that level of financial vandalism?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You had no grip on expenses policy; no grip on the covenants; no grip on savings; no grip on expenditure; and no grip on governance. That is what we have heard in your evidence today, Mr Gillespie. You have a lot of well-informed views about the international recruitment market; it seems that that was the thing that you were concerned about.

You were absent. The day after you resigned, you were due to fly off to China again, were you not? That would have been your 14th international trip within that year. Were you not an absent landlord?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

So why did you think that those people would keep coming?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Professor Gillespie, you talk about analytical discussions but, at that time, headcount at the university was continuing to rise. We have that in our evidence. The number of people who were employed there was climbing and climbing. There were £35 million of savings identified in the budget that you had signed off and there was no action to deliver against any of them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

That is the characterisation that you are giving in your evidence.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Michael Marra

That is not part of the core business of the university, is it? The core business of the university is teaching people, research and some level of knowledge exchange. Building incubator buildings, as fantastic and important as they might be, is not the job of the university, is it?