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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

I put on record, as I did yesterday, that I was previously employed at the University of Dundee. My time at the university overlapped with that of Professor Gillespie by perhaps three months. Earlier, you seemed to indicate that you were not happy when you were essentially asked to leave the university. Did you feel betrayed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

I am looking at how that relates to the budget, though. In June, you were told that you were modelling for a 25 per cent reduction, and other members of the executive said, “We should be looking at a reduction of at least 35 per cent”, but when the budget left that meeting, it continued on the basis of a 25 per cent reduction, did it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

What day was that? Can you give us even the month?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

It clearly was burning money and the building was alight at that point.

The character of the evidence that we have heard today is that you were a principal for the good times—a good-time Charlie—and, when the situation turned, you were completely inactive. You could not deal with it. You liked going abroad and being a credible face for the institution—Professor Gillies says that. However, when it came to the difficult decisions—the stuff that had to be done—you were just not interested, were you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

Yesterday, we had an exchange with Jim McGeorge, who said that he also did not realise that the money had been spent. Peter Fotheringham said that it was a surprise to him that anybody did not know and that the university was never generating enough cash to spend on its fixed-assets programme.

The Gillies report makes clear that you and the chief operating officer were spending money hand over fist—it was flying out the door on staff and capital. You are smiling wryly, but it was a clear pattern of behaviour from you all.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You talked about the financial situation on emergency UEG away days in the spring. At that point, did you not think to inquire about any of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

December 2024? Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

You did not take those decisions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Michael Marra

But you were the person who was saying that you were aiming for the university to become a £500 million-turnover organisation. On what basis did you get the idea that that was possible, when you knew about the underlying challenges in the institution?