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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Michael Marra

I would have liked a response. To me, it is a core question about the difference between large colleges and small colleges.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Michael Marra

We have heard really useful evidence so far. We are trying to understand the impact of regionalisation and the reform process that we have gone through. Industrial relations is a particular issue of concern to me, but I know that colleagues have covered that already, given how regularly the issues recur. Some of the questions on structural issues are important, too.

I want to focus on outcomes for learners. Stuart Brown commented on equity of access coming out of the reform process, in terms of the number of colleges reducing and the urban-rural divide. On college performance for 2021, the Scottish Funding Council’s most recent annual report said that the completion rate for students was 61.3 per cent. The nearest comparable figure that I have for England from the Department for Education is 89.1 per cent. My question is for Stuart in the first instance. Do you have any ideas about the gap in completion rates for qualifications and whether the structural issues that you identified might have an impact on the situation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Michael Marra

It is a question about the differences between large colleges and small colleges, which I think gets to the core of what we are talking about. These figures, which are in the SFC report, are unique to Scotland. The difference in completion rates for large colleges is 52.7 per cent—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 June 2022

Michael Marra

I will leave it, convener, if I cannot give the figures—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Michael Marra

Is that transition recognised in the current SFC arrangements?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Michael Marra

My questions follow some of Mr Dey’s. I am trying to evaluate the idea of regionalisation and what the next steps are, and I am keen to focus on outcomes for young people. A lot of the evidence that we have had is about inputs, such as the number of young people attending universities. In 2020-21, the successful completion rate in Scotland was 61.3 per cent, whereas the roughly comparable figure in England was 89 per cent. Why does that gap exist?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Michael Marra

I take on board your point that it is difficult to find an exactly comparable figure, because the systems in England and Scotland are different, but it still seems to me to be a pretty stark gap in outcomes. The most equivalent figure that I could find in England was that 89 per cent of young people come out the other side with a qualification. You talked about the Scottish situation, but is there more that we can learn from models elsewhere? We are in a process of reform, so is there more that we could do to try to achieve better outcomes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Michael Marra

I think that the horse has bolted on multiyear funding. The assumption was that we would see something about it in the spending review yesterday, but that only goes down to level 2, which means that colleges do not know how much funding they will have in the coming years. Are you renewing those calls today?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Michael Marra

Yes, I will, convener. We also have a team at the SFC that appears to be working up an alternative piece. Does anybody have any idea whether the SFC and the Scottish Government are working together on the same blueprint for the future or whether they are developing completely different plans? There seem to be a lot of plans. Do you have any idea whether the people involved are talking to one another?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 June 2022

Michael Marra

The budget settlement for 2022-23 has been passed on to the colleges. For almost all colleges, it means significant cuts to staffing and the programmes that they run. Principals and other senior staff have expressed concerns to me that they have received letters from the Scottish Funding Council telling them that they have to do exactly the same things that they did last year.

We have talked about the ability to flex in the longer term. However, in the short term, is the Government system responsive enough to the context in which colleges exist to enable the money that is allocated to them to reflect the job that the Government wants them to do?