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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
Why did you not have an expert advisory group on the development of this work?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
There is an expert advisory group on ending conversion practices, an advisory group on the Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland Bill, an advisory group on the age of criminal responsibility and an expert advisory group on heat pumps, but you did not think that an expert advisory group was required on this bill. Given what we have just described, could I suggest that perhaps it was?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
On the national care board, you have already mentioned oversight issues. Under current ministerial powers, ministers already have the power to intervene when they see substandard care issues, do they not?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
You and I probably agree on that. What I am asking is why civil servants cannot help you, as the minister, to do that right now, rather than a national care board having to deliver it at the cost of £30 million a year. It is my understanding that you have 170 civil servants working on the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. Is that correct?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
That is at a cost to the taxpayer of £1 million a month. Is that correct?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
Over the past couple of years, we have still had ministers in front of this and other committees defending the proposals in the original bill and suggesting that they should be backed by the Parliament. When did it become apparent to you that the country did not have the money to pay for the legislation that you introduced to the Parliament?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
The committee was told earlier this week that the legislation in front of the Parliament, in unamended form, could expose the public to a bill of £3.9 billion. Is that correct?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
You would understand, minister, that none of this is ideal. We are talking about variances between £3.9 billion and £2 billion and trying to shave away an understanding of what some of the cost base might be. For a finance committee to be brought such evidence within the space of three days is deeply worrying, is it not?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
Would you not consider that the core cause is the chaotic way in which the legislation has been pursued? You have introduced one model, which you have completely changed during the process, and you have recognised some of the reasons for that.
You are talking about completely different delivery mechanisms. In your evidence today you have been unable to express what the shape of the national care service board will be or how integration authorities will operate. You have also given us a cost variance that jumps between £1.8 billion and £2 billion and then to £3.9 billion. You are not able to express any of the co-design models that will be conducted after this point, which might add to or increase costs, and which committee members have been greatly concerned about. Is the core issue not the way in which you are handling the legislation, and in how it has been handled for years?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 January 2024
Michael Marra
The core of what we are talking about is that the hundreds of millions of pounds that you are asking the taxpayers to pay is for bureaucracy rather than for care workers, is it not?