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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

My last point is about your other commitment, which was on class contact time. I have always seen those promises as being very contingent on one another. As is identified in the report of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, without more teachers, reducing class contact time will be incredibly difficult. Would you update us on the negotiations about that? What progress is being made on reducing class contact time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

Thirty per cent is a very large proportion to lose. There are teacher jobs that have been advertised time and again across the country, and there are particular skills gaps. Perhaps it would be useful to hear from you how those things map over in terms of the skills gap and where there are particular problems with the supply that we have.

I have pushed you before, in the chamber and in this committee, on meeting the target of getting back to the figures of 2007—getting those 3,500 additional staff in the door to fill the gap. How many should we expect to see this year under this budget?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

I appreciate that. However, we are two years into a five-year parliamentary session, and we are going not forwards but backwards. We are 100 teachers down on where we were. It is not sensible to assume that that work can be done in the final year of a parliamentary session—that we as a country can deliver 3,500 teachers. If there is no progress this year, we will be in a really difficult situation. It would therefore be good to hear the numbers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

It is Government policy, though. It was your commitment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

That is okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

Tes magazine reported this week that you are budgeting £150 million of additional expenditure for the educational institutions that are being reformed at a time when there are front-line cuts. What value do you think we will get for that money?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

I am asking what you think we will get for the money. It is for you to justify the spend.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

I asked a question about the numbers and how many there will be this year.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Michael Marra

It is £150 million of additional expenditure over the coming years.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Redress Scheme

Meeting date: 12 January 2023

Michael Marra

Thank you, Deputy First Minister. I think that that is a significant evolution, given the evidence that you have taken and the conversations that you had with the survivors, and it certainly moves on from the submission that you made to the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee on 8 September. The language that you have used is very sympathetic, and I recognise that you will want to consider the matter more fully in response to that committee’s letter.

Caroline Harris, who is one of the Fornethy survivors, has said:

“The council put us at risk by sending us there. We were sent there by the council. Why have they not acknowledged this?”

As you set out at the start of the meeting, it is partly about looking for acknowledgement and understanding that there is responsibility and that they were put in that situation.

Violet Wilson, who is also a survivor, has said:

“To a child, six weeks feels like a year.”

That goes against the idea of a short-term stay. Carol Whyte has said that, to the survivors, “abuse is abuse.” They are absolutely clear about what they suffered and that there should be an opportunity for them to access the scheme.

To your knowledge, have any Fornethy survivors specifically applied to and been processed and accepted through the scheme?