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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 September 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, panel. Thank you for your opening remarks and for the information that you have provided. In particular, Karon Monaghan was very knowledgeable in breaking down where a GRC applies and does not apply and the relationship between gender and sex.

My question follows Pam Duncan-Glancy’s point. We have heard, from people who are opposed to the bill, many concerns about self-exclusion from single-sex services. The witnesses have talked a bit about female representation on public boards and in sport, and you have heard the arguments about fairness in sport and a level playing field. Karon Monaghan and Naomi Cunningham also touched on the impact on minority groups and women of faith. May we hear a little more detail on those issues? What is the solution, especially when it comes to sport and women of faith? We must be mindful of not excluding anyone; we must ensure that no one out there feels excluded by the bill’s provisions.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Convener, may we also hear from Sharon Cowan?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

We heard a lot from Naomi Cunningham and Karon Monaghan and I want to know whether Sharon Cowan thinks that there is a solution to the issue. Is there a happy medium that means that we do not exclude anyone? Can we ensure that everyone is included?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning, David, and thank you for your opening statement. The Royal College of General Practitioners in Scotland submitted written evidence in which it talked about

“current IT systems which do not accommodate for transgender and non-binary patients in relation to referrals and screening. For example, a trans male cannot be referred for a cervical smear or to a gynaecology clinic if they are recorded as male in the practice database, despite still having female reproductive organs.”

With an anticipated inflation in the number of GRC applications, do you have any concerns about decoupling of the legal and medical aspects of gender reassignment?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Will you also say a little about minority groups?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

The Cass review on gender identity services in England and Wales is on-going, but its interim report says:

“There has not been routine and consistent data collection ... which means it is not possible to accurately track the outcomes and pathways that children and young people take through the service.”

Given that it is the state’s duty to protect and safeguard children’s wellbeing, should a similar inquiry be conducted in Scotland, followed by more detailed data collection, to ensure that the bill will not have any unintended consequences?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Do you think that the numbers will increase with more GRCs coming through?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Is the Prison Service ready to provide that support if the increase happens?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

You are absolutely right that it is already the case that transgender doctors do not have to inform the patient of their transgender status. As there is already a gap in the law, would it not make sense to address that issue now and bring balance between transgender rights and religious liberties? The bill is an opportunity—perhaps the prime opportunity—to bridge that gap at a time when proposed changes to the GRA would make it easier to transition and obtain a GRC. That may mean that the problem will become more widespread and have a greater impact on the faith communities and their right to practise their religions.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Can I put the same question to Anthony Horan and Karen Hendry about the gap that is in the law right now and about the new legislation?