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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. My question is one that I also put to the previous panel. The vast majority of domestic abuse survivors are women and, as the Scottish Women’s Rights Centre has said, survivors of domestic abuse often struggle to access civil legal aid and many of them need to pay privately. A witness on the previous panel told us that the fact that women cannot access civil legal aid makes them even more vulnerable.

As part of my work on my Domestic Abuse (Prevention) (Scotland) Bill, I have spoken to many survivors of domestic abuse, whose abusive partners often control the household finances. They might not be eligible for legal aid anyway as their household income may be too high, and sometimes they do not even have the information to hand. What is being done to prevent those women from becoming even more vulnerable?

Andy Sirel, you mentioned information from your helpline and said that some women have to go through 30 to 50 solicitors by the time that they get advice.

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Good morning. Respondents to the committee’s call for views highlighted many issues with administering legal aid. Do you have any proposals that could help tackle such issues in the short term? Pat, do you want to go first?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Aaliya Seyal, do you want to add anything to that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. In response to an earlier question, you spoke about not having the time to look at cultural or community differences and how to adapt to them. Could you expand a bit more on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you. Aaliya, do you want to add anything?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

It is good that you have mentioned that, because I know that, in BAME backgrounds, jewellery and some other property would not be thought of in that context. Have you had many cases in which that situation has arisen? I have spoken to people in a lot of those communities in connection with a bill that I am working on, and they tell me that they face barriers in relation to not only financial areas but other areas, too. One size does not fit all with regard to access to services.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Another issue is that black, Asian and minority ethnic women face additional barriers, as sometimes the relevant authorities find it difficult to understand the cultural context of their cases. What is being done to ensure that those women, many of whom are extremely vulnerable, are looked after and receive the support that they deserve?

You mentioned the requirement for financial information, which could be a big issue. In many BAME communities, it is often the male—the husband—not the female who holds all the financial information. That affects the issue of the eligibility requirements, too. Also, when somebody from a BAME background goes through this process, the setting is different. You have to consider the cultural aspect and also the person’s community—you are dealing not just with the person’s partner or family but with their wider community. Can you shed some light on what could be done there?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you for that. I have a couple of supplementary questions. The Scottish Women’s Rights Centre has highlighted the issue of access to civil protection orders for survivors of domestic abuse. It says that, often, the burden of accessing legal protection falls on survivors, who must access civil legal assistance or pay privately to do so. What is being done to ensure that those women, many of whom are extremely vulnerable, receive the support that they deserve?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Dr Pam Gosal MBE

Thank you, Cat—I am very pleased about that because that has not happened in the past. Those groups have spoken about that. To be honest, when evidence is taken, whether it is in this committee or whether it comes to you as the Scottish Government, it is important that we hear from everybody to make sure that we are implementing things in the right way.

There is a balance, but those organisations have not been heard in the past, so I am really pleased with what you have said. If that does not happen, I will be writing to the minister to ensure that we include those groups.