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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

I was making more a general point about the fact that, in the six-year period in which we have not been in Erasmus+, SEEP has only just reached the test-and-learn phase. Was SEEP at a stage at which it was going to expand, prior to the news this morning?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

Given the amount of time and the considerable amount of work that has had to go into the process of trying to get to the point of clarity, or further clarity, do you think that it has been a good use of time? For example, the chief social work adviser has had to spend time being the conduit between you and Professor Jay at various points.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

Thank you, convener. I have no relevant interests to declare.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

Okay—that is helpful.

I will turn to some of the points that I put to Professor Jay about where we are now and how we move forward, because I think that everybody would want to see work being done at pace; we have heard about that in some of the exchanges this morning.

Do you recognise that we now have a number of overlapping pieces of work? There is the child abuse public inquiry, which has been on-going for 10 years; I acknowledge your comments on that. We have a national review comprising four Government agencies: HM Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland, the Care Inspectorate, HM Inspectorate of Education in Scotland and Healthcare Improvement Scotland. On Monday, a lack of clarity was reported among those agencies about how they were going to be involved and what the terms of reference would be. That review will then, as I understand it, be reviewed by Professor Jay.

We have had a call for a further overarching review, which is not what the strategic review group is about. With regard to Government involvement in all this, we have had questions being answered in the chamber by the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise; we have had answers from you; and we have heard from—and will hear from this afternoon—the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills.

Do you recognise why victims feel confused, at best, about who is responsible for getting to the heart of many of the issues? Do you recognise what Professor Jay said about that confusion?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

George Adam and Jackie Dunbar on this committee, as well as the First Minister and others, have referred to your career in social work, and you have referred to it this morning yourself—in particular, the 30 years that have passed since it started. There are obviously standards, values and principles for social workers that you will recognise: being accountable, taking responsibility and

“I must uphold public trust and confidence.”

You will have carried those values into the role that you currently hold. Do you feel that you have upheld those values and principles in this episode?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

My intention was to ask questions on attainment in schools, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

Given the exchange we have just had, Professor Jay, is it your view that actually we need an independent review? You have previously called for that, alongside the work we have just discussed. If the Government were to ask you to lead such a piece of work, would you be open to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

—while persistent absences are at about 28.5 per cent, which is well above the pre-Covid average of 21.8 per cent. Was that the ambition for recovery during this session of Parliament?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

On an associated point, will the minister join me in welcoming today’s news that the UK will rejoin Erasmus+, which provides opportunities for students across Scotland and the wider UK? That has happened within two years of the new UK Government being elected. Also, does the minister have any reflections on the progress that has been made over the past six years, during which we have only just reached the test-and-learn stage of the Scottish education exchange programme, which is the Scottish Government’s programme?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Paul O'Kane

This was remiss of me but, perhaps due to the early start of the meeting, I did not declare earlier that my husband is a practising social worker.