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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Martin, is it your sense that it would be useful to have more detail on what is expected of local authorities in terms of what they offer currently? One of the challenges in my work is that easy-read communication is not offered as standard across many agencies. If somebody walked into Aberdeenshire Council, would they be able to get that quickly, or would it take some time? Are those the areas that you have identified where we need a bit more standardisation?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

That was helpful. Andrew, do you want to come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Some cross-cutting work has been done—for example, the committee has looked at issues around interpretation services in relation to refugee asylum seekers—but there is a wider conversation to be had about all that, and it is useful to bring that to the fore.

My final question is about resources. We cannot get away from the fact that implementing the public sector equality duty takes money, staffing and people. Reference has already been made to the challenging backdrop against which much of this work is being done. Do you agree with the assessment of many public bodies that have responded that resourcing will be a huge issue that will have to be looked at directly, along with public sector organisations, to understand what the existing capacity might be and what will be required in the future?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Nicky, do you want to add anything?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

You did, indeed. We heard that. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

It is important to include in an audit framework people who have lived experience of requiring such communication. I am sure that they are involved at some point in the process, but perhaps they could be involved in a more formal way to say whether something is working and why.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. That has helpfully touched on my final point. The East Renfrewshire Council submission spoke about

“capacity, resourcing, timing, practicality, and limited ... data about the range of ... requirements”

for people. The Scottish Women’s Convention said that public bodies will need to be properly resourced to do a lot of this work. I can see folk nodding. I get the sense that, alongside guidance, there will probably need to be a degree of increased resource. I am taking the nodding as meaning that that was a fair comment.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Would anyone who is appearing online like to add to that and talk about the experience of their own council?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

Does anyone else want to come in on that point before I ask a final question?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Paul O'Kane

I am quite interested in inclusive communication and the Government’s revised approach to assisting listed public authorities with embedding inclusive communication in what they are doing. What do you think about the Government’s revised approach? How do you feel it is progressing?