Chamber and committees

All of us on the committee would want to associate ourselves with your comment that one suicide is one too many and to welcome any decrease in the figures.

On “Scotland’s Suicide Prevention Action Plan: Every Life Matters”, the outcome of the review in March was that progress was perhaps slower than expected in some areas. Indeed, I think that you alluded to the need for us to go further and do more. Notwithstanding the challenges that we have all experienced through the pandemic and lockdown and the fact that they have exacerbated the situation with services and people’s lived experience, I am keen to understand how we will drive towards the plan’s very ambitious target of reducing the rate of suicide by 20 per cent by 2022. How achievable is that target? What further actions need to be taken to reach it?

I will be brief, convener. I just want to welcome the minister’s comments about grass-roots organisations in communities, which I think all of us will have experience of. Does the minister feel that there is space to fund some of those organisations at a more localised level and move that sort of thing forward where required?

I declare an interest as a councillor for East Renfrewshire.

I think that this is the first time that the minister has had the opportunity to talk about the national care service with the committee and I am sure that it will not be the last as the proposal progresses in legislation.

We are coming to the end of the consultation phase and I want to start my questions by asking about scope. The scope of the Government’s consultation goes further than Feeley did. There has been a degree of commentary about that. For example, Fiona Duncan, chair of the Promise Scotland, said that she was puzzled as to why children’s services were in the consultation and she expressed some concerns about how we deliver the Promise if it becomes part of the national care service.

I was at the cross-party group on learning disability and lots of folk were concerned about the consultation’s scope and the particular needs of adult social care getting lost in that. What was the rationale for arriving at the scope in the consultation and why does it go beyond Feeley? How do you envisage the bill in comparison to the consultation, once we have processed the responses? I appreciate that there is a lot in those questions.

I thank the minister for that response. I am sure that he will be keen to come to the cross-party group on learning disability as well, so I will book him in for that.

The minister said that people want change. My experience from talking to people is that there is a desire for change but it is perhaps about cultural change rather than being solely focused on structural change.

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This is an extremely serious situation, and I, too, thank our NHS staff.

NHS Lanarkshire moved to code black on 22 October, which resulted in some cancer operations being cancelled for patients who were already experiencing unacceptably long delays. Some three weeks on since that code black was declared, the reports from the A and E department of University hospital Wishaw clearly demonstrate that the Scottish Government has not dealt with the situation. When does the cabinet secretary expect all elective surgeries, especially cancer procedures, to recommence?

To ask the First Minister what steps the Scottish Government is taking in response to reports of an increase in turnaround times for ambulances offloading patients at accident and emergency departments. (S6F-00433)

I draw attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am the chair of the Neilston War Memorial Association.

As we mark armistice day and look ahead to this weekend’s commemorations, I am pleased to be able to contribute to this debate. In doing so, I wish to remember all those who have lost their lives in conflict down through the years and remember those who are still living with pain today. Indeed, I think of all veterans across our communities and how we must do more to support them. I also pay tribute to our serving personnel, whether at home or abroad, and I particularly want to highlight the incredible work that has been done by our armed forces throughout the Covid-19 pandemic. Whether staffing the asymptomatic testing centre in Barrhead, close to where I live, driving ambulances across the West Scotland region or supporting the logistics of the first vaccination centres, from Giffnock to Greenock, they have made a huge difference to the lives of people in the communities that I serve.

At the heart of remembrance, we reflect on service—the service of keeping us safe, of protecting our freedom and of helping the most vulnerable in our world. We remember those who have given their lives in that service, whether in two world wars or in more recent conflicts.

I wish to speak today about those who keep the flame of remembrance alive in our communities and those who continue to work to support veterans across Scotland. I never fail to be amazed by the dedication of the Royal British Legion and Poppyscotland, which, as we have heard, marks its 100th anniversary this week.

As custodians of remembrance, Poppyscotland ensures that, down through the generations, people have space to reflect and remember, but it also does amazing work to support veterans across Scotland. It is supported by groups of volunteers, and, along with many other colleagues, I was honoured to meet some of them at the launch of the Scottish poppy appeal here in Parliament.

I was particularly pleased to meet Donna Louise Armstrong from Lochwinnoch, who organises the annual appeal in the village and further afield in Johnstone, and who received the president’s award for her amazing fundraising efforts. She is an inspiration and draws people to support the appeal every year. Donna Louise has also undertaken a range of fundraising efforts to support Poppyscotland, including a terrifying wing walk. Her fundraising makes a real difference to the lives of veterans across Scotland and she does all of this in memory of her nephew, who died in service in Afghanistan.

I also think of the wonderful team of people in the Neilston War Memorial Association with whom I have been proud to work over many years. I know that my village’s quest for a war memorial, which culminated in its unveiling in 2015, has been mentioned in the Parliament a few times, but it is a real honour for me to highlight the work of the association today, having been involved since its inception in 2011.

This is the first opportunity that I have had to pay tribute to Corporal David Timmins since his death in January. David was awarded the Queen’s gallantry medal for his bravery in rescuing a comrade when an improvised explosive device exploded in Afghanistan. David worked for veterans’ rights and support after his recovery, and he was influential in setting up the Neilston War Memorial Association. I know that his loss is keenly felt in the community, but his legacy, of course, lives on in all the work that is done.

Supported by the sterling work of its secretary, Matt Drennan, the association not only cares for the memorial gardens and continues the act of remembrance in the village each year, but has grown to deliver for the people of the village, in memory of all those who never came home from the front lines of the first and second world wars.

Each year, the association raises money to deliver Christmas lights and celebrations, gifts for local children from Santa and an annual poppy stone hunt. During the pandemic, the association delivered hundreds of craft packs to local children, organised afternoon teas for older people who were shielding and helped to facilitate community newsletters, food parcels and even socially distanced doorstep community concerts with the outstanding Neilston pipe band at Kirk Glebe sheltered housing complex.

When people ask Matt why the association does all that, he points to the stories of hundreds of young men who never returned to Neilston from Flanders and the beaches of Normandy. Those names are etched on the war memorial but, as we all know, remembrance is about more than that. Their stories have been recorded and meticulously researched so that they are not forgotten. In their name, the association seeks to work for the benefit of children and young people who live in the village today and are of a similar age to those young men when they died. It does that not to glorify the horrors of war but to aspire to peace and reconciliation.

I also want to talk about the wonderful Erskine charity, which is based in my region. Along with other veterans charities, it has called for real and meaningful action to improve support for those who have served and returned to our communities.

Labour members support the calls to establish clear statutory targets to underpin the delivery of the armed forces covenant. We also support the implementation of the recommendations of Poppyscotland and other armed forces charities to strengthen engagement, to implement the veterans housing pathway and to target provision, with the aim of ensuring that the most vulnerable service personnel and veterans experience a good transition back to civilian life.

On Sunday, whether it is at Abbey cemetery in Elderslie, at the war memorial in Neilston or at the free French memorial monument on Lyle hill in Greenock, I will stand silently and think of all those who have been lost and all that we must still do for the living. I know that colleagues will do something similar in their communities.

In all his answers on the subject, the Deputy First Minister has pointed to increased demand due to the pandemic. However, I have statistics from the Scottish Ambulance Service showing that turnaround times in A and E departments have been increasing going back to 2014. In my region, ambulance turnaround times at the Royal Alexandra hospital in Paisley have doubled from 22 minutes in 2014 to 43 minutes in 2021. That is simply unacceptable.

Those statistics clearly demonstrate that the crisis in ambulance wait times began well before the pandemic; they were growing year on year. In answer to Anas Sarwar, the Deputy First Minister would not commit to the maximum 30-minute turnaround time called for by ambulance staff. Will he therefore tell the chamber what he thinks is an acceptable turnaround time for ambulances at A and E? When will he listen to staff and get a grip of this crisis?

Yes, thank you for giving us more time, minister. We have had a meaningful discussion about public health and the huge amount that needs to be done. The narrative of a public health Parliament has permeated the discussion.

We are dealing with Covid-19 and its far-reaching impact. In the next part of the meeting, we will hear about the pressures on our NHS as we approach the winter. How can we address the wider public health challenges, which have been exacerbated by the pandemic, while dealing with the huge challenge of remobilisation and getting the delivery of acute services, in particular, back to the right level?

My question is for John Mooney, and Annie Gunner Logan might be able to comment as well. The point that you have made is essentially that we need to deal with pay in the care sector more broadly. John Thomson alluded to the fact that you can work in a supermarket or do bar work and earn more money than you can in social care. What is your view of trade unions, such as the GMB, Unison and others, campaigning for £15 an hour as a standard wage for care work?