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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I am particularly interested in developing the theme of unmet need and trying to better understand an unmet need for legal aid. Is it possible to start there and get a bit more depth on where you think that there are unmet needs within your specialist interest? I will ask Andy Sirel to start.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Thank you for that. The Social Justice and Social Security Committee, on which Marie McNair and I sit, is doing work around financial abuse in domestic abuse. We have heard some evidence already about the challenge of trying to find a solicitor in what is often a very difficult set of circumstances, and having to go round lots of different solicitors to try to find someone who might take on a legal aid case. Citizens Advice Scotland acts as a front door to some of this. Do you have any reflections on that wider piece?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Thanks. We have spoken about advice deserts, both in geographical terms—we have heard about the situation in rural areas—and in relation to specific subjects, such as housing. The Government has declared a housing emergency. It would be useful for the committee to understand what impact a lack of advice or legal recourse is having on the wider picture.

10:45  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Thank you. I am grateful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

That was helpful. So, the piece of research is not going to happen.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Finally, I am interested in the real challenges around public debt and the legal options that are open to people to try to get themselves into a better position with the debt that they owe to public agencies. Very often, that will involve a degree of legal advice. I have spoken to firms in my region that do a lot of such work pro bono in order to try to support people, even if that just involves having an initial discussion with a counsellor or whoever about getting into a payment plan. Is that something that you have seen through your work?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Good morning. I am particularly interested in the proposals that the Government had to reform legal aid. The intention was to bring forward proposals in this parliamentary session, but that has not happened and now will not happen. Building on the Evans review, the Government set up a number of working groups; my understanding is that the Law Society withdrew from those groups, and I am keen to understand the Law Society’s motivation and view in doing that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Aaliya, do you have anything to add on the need for primary legislation?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

Do you want to add anything, Hyo Eun Shin?

Meeting of the Parliament

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Paul O'Kane

I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to the debate. At this stage of the evening, I am pleased to be following so many considered, passionate and powerful speeches by colleagues from all parts of the chamber.

This is a serious bill and a serious debate. In many ways, it is one of the most serious issues that we will deal with in this session of Parliament. It is the culmination of four years of debate in this session and of a wider debate long before that. We have heard much of that debate rehearsed this evening.

Like colleagues, I pay tribute to Liam McArthur. The manner in which he has steered the passage of the bill has been thoroughly decent, collegiate and patient. His contribution in opening the debate today continued in that vein.

Everyone in the Parliament and, indeed, across the nation approaches this debate with their own experience of and encounter with death, because death comes to us all and touches us all, no matter who we are. Seamus Heaney wrote:

“death is not easily
escaped from by anyone:
all of us, with souls, earth-dwellers
and children of men, must make our way
to a destination already ordained”.

The question, and the debate that we are having, is about how we die. I have sought to encounter and listen to my constituents and their stories. I think particularly of people such as Caroline, who came to see me and made me stop in my tracks as she spoke with passion and emotion about the death that her loved one experienced. It was a difficult death, in which pain was present, and she felt that the option of assisted dying would have made that process far better not only for her loved one, but for her.

I recognise the work of Marie Curie. Last year, I was very pleased to bring to the chamber a debate on “Dying in the Margins”. That exhibition, which we have heard about before this evening, sought to show to the world the conditions in which people come to the end of life in our society. It struck me that, in many ways, even in hospice care, we are already failing to allow people to have a good death. There is a failure to support people by adapting their properties so that they can die well, to allow people to access social services and to provide that wider end-of-life support.