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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Katy Clark

There should be a focus on people in custody prior to trial.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Katy Clark

But you must surely accept that, if inflation is in the region of 7 per cent and the increase is 5 per cent, the value of the money that lawyers will be receiving is going down. It does not keep pace with inflation.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Katy Clark

I want to raise a point about the level of income, which has been put to us by the Law Society of Scotland, and I would like to hear your reaction. The Law Society is saying that, even taking into account the recent uplifts and the increase that will be introduced by the regulations, legal aid rates will be about 60 per cent lower in real terms than they were when the Scottish Parliament was created. It is quite obvious that hourly rates have not gone up by much. The Law Society of Scotland is saying that that is in the context of a long-term decline in overall legal aid expenditure, with the 2021-22 budget being £138 million, in comparison with £160 million in 2010-11. Do you accept all that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Katy Clark

It is clear that we have a crisis. The word “bottleneck” has already been used. When we heard from the Scottish Prison Service last week, it put the proportion of prisoners on remand at 30 per cent, which is higher than the previous figure that we were given—the most recent official figure—of 27 per cent. It is clear that we must address the problem. What are the alternatives? In what ways could we change the system to address the crisis? Does Vicki Bell have any suggestions, based on her experience?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Katy Clark

Approximately £500 million was cut from the legal aid budgets up until 2019. Since 2019, there have been increases. The 5 per cent increase that has been proposed in the Scottish statutory instrument before us is obviously below current inflation rates. Do you accept that it is, in effect, a cut?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Katy Clark

But the rates that lawyers are receiving are broadly similar to those that they were receiving in 2007, although there have been increases since 2019. Do you think that explains why so many lawyers are now saying that they will no longer do legal aid work?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Katy Clark

On statutory time limits, do you still support the longer criminal procedure time limits that were put in place in response to the pandemic? Do you have any concerns in that respect?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Katy Clark

Similarly, Kate, do you still support the longer criminal procedure time limits that were put in place in response to the pandemic and the continuation of those measures? Do you have any concerns from a victim’s perspective?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Katy Clark

Good morning. I would like to start with Emma Jardine. It would be useful if you could outline your views on the provisions of the bill that would continue the temporary extension of the various time limits in criminal cases. Could you outline your organisation’s response to that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Katy Clark

Teresa, you said that you have limited historical records and limited records in relation to individuals. However, the letter from the Howard League says that

“in other prison services (e.g. Ireland) figures are provided for number of hours out of cell each day for example.”

What would you need in order to provide the public and the committee with the kind of data that we would probably find helpful in making informed decisions?