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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
I want to pick up on quite a few of the points that Jamie Greene has raised and get a better understanding of why we now have 16 and 17-year-olds in the prison estate. I appreciate that you have said that it is down to the courts. To what extent are there children on remand in secure units now?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
So they tend to be convicted children, or those referred by the children’s panel.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
Do you ever have children on remand? Have there been in the past?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
Much of the debate is about resources, including how we should shift them. We have been given figures on the cost of keeping someone in prison, which we are often told is around £40,000 per year. However, there is huge variation among prisons, and the newer prisons are a lot cheaper than the older ones. Do we have data on the average cost of keeping a child in a secure unit? I am just trying to get a feel for the resource issues.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
That is helpful. Gerald, would you like to add to that?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
Do you envisage that, in future, children in that position, who have risks associated with them because of the nature of the offence, are likely to be taken to secure units for short periods of time? Is that your understanding of the policy going forward? Is that what is being suggested, as far as you understand it?
12:15Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
It is just that you do not happen to have any at the moment.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
Right—I understand that.
Another issue that is raised by the bill relates to children being detained in police custody—children being kept in cells. Have you considered that? Are there ever circumstances in which that is just a necessity? What is your view on that issue? Potentially, somebody who is arrested on a Friday could be held until the Monday. Does that happen? Is that something that you are aware of? Is there a different provision for those short-term situations?
Meeting of the Parliament
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
Will the member take an intervention?
Meeting of the Parliament
Meeting date: 29 March 2023
Katy Clark
As the minister will be aware, even the United Kingdom Treasury is now describing public-private partnerships as inflexible, overly complex and a source of significant fiscal risk to Government. However, Scotland is still entering into versions of such arrangements. Will the Scottish Government stop such partnerships and commit to a model that puts quality, value for money and accountability at its heart?