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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

There was a case in 2014 in which a child died in West Lothian: baby J. I have raised the case on a few occasions. Social workers and a nurse attempted to put the child on the child protection register and others decided that he should not be. What went wrong and why that happened is still not clear, but I suppose that it illustrates the point that you are making, which is that this can happen with or without registration.

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

Absolutely. This question is probably for Martin MacLean.

Last year, your Police Scotland colleague Bex Smith told the committee about significant legislative gaps in relation to child sexual abuse and exploitation, and she gave a couple of examples. She said:

“there is no Scottish legislation that is specific to prohibited images”

and

“The current criteria for an application for a risk of sexual harm order does not cover online offences.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 18 May 2022; c 37.]

A year has now passed since then. The former Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Veterans, Keith Brown, told the committee that the Scottish Government had indeed engaged with the Crown Office on the particular concerns that your colleague raised. He said to us in writing that the Scottish Government is assessing the Crown’s feedback and will meet Police Scotland in due course to discuss a response to the issues that it has raised.

A year down the line, we would like to know whether you have had that meeting and that feedback yet. Do you know what the Crown’s position is in response to the requests that your colleague raised? Was its position put in writing? If so, could we see that? Where are we at?

There is quite a lot in there. I am sorry.

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

Those two elements seem to have been dealt with. However, in Police Scotland’s written submission for this particular session, four serious issues that relate to indecent images of children are identified. They include

“Extreme Pornographic Material/Prohibited Images (CGI, cartoons etc.)”,

“Child-like Sex-Dolls”

and

“Preparatory Acts & Collection of Relevant Information”—

I am not entirely sure what that means. There are still legislative gaps there.

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

That will be policing, but is there additional training for health boards and social work?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

Good morning. I would also like to put on record that I am very pleased that the United Kingdom Government has secured the prestigious event and decided to host it in Glasgow. I agree with the Minister for Security, Tom Tugendhat, who says that it

“underlines the UK’s role as a global leader when it comes to security and policing”.

I am grateful to all the members who have supported my parliamentary motion, which I have taken the opportunity to briefly plug.

I was going to ask the same question that Jamie Greene asked about the road traffic accident exemption. Do you know whether the exemption was arrived at due to the high-profile case in which a young man was killed by an overseas diplomat in the UK?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

I have another, more general, question. Is this pretty much the same situation as COP26 and there is no meaningful difference to the exemptions in the order?

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

Okay. Thank you.

Another ask is for a Scottish deterrence campaign. Again, there is a difference. There is no campaign currently, but similar things are happening elsewhere. Do you know whether that is progressing?

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

That is helpful. Thank you very much.

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Russell Findlay

There is another interesting thing in the child protection statistics. In Scotland, 22 children per 100,000 are on the child protection register, but the figure is significantly higher elsewhere in the UK—it is 43 in England, 45 in Northern Ireland and 52 in Wales. I do not quite know what to make of those figures. I do not know whether they mean that there is an overly cautious approach elsewhere and children are being added on grounds that would not be used to add children in Scotland or whether they mean that Scotland is sometimes not adding children when they, arguably, should be added. It is such a stark difference. I do not know whether that question would be for the NSPCC or Barnardo’s or Social Work Scotland.

Criminal Justice Committee

Priorities in the Justice Sector and an Action Plan

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Russell Findlay

I will be selective. The letter from the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service says:

“SCTS successfully achieved customer service excellence”.

I have no idea what that is, so it would be good to know. We have asked the SCTS about its complaints process and been told how wonderful it all is, but there is no data about the number of complaints, whether that number is going up or down, or how complaints are resolved. That might be interesting to know.

I have a few other points about the letters from COSLA and the SFRS, but I will leave those for now.