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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Brendan Rooney mentioned the role of the Lord Advocate. Last week, the SCRA said that, with the rise in age, more serious offences could come to the panels. As my colleague Ruth Maguire has highlighted, victims want to know that justice will be done in those circumstances. Last week, Alistair Hogg said:

“I imagine that there will be consideration of”

the issue and of

“which is the appropriate system to deal with such circumstances.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 25 October 2023; c 31.]

Is that being given on-going consideration? What conversations are happening in that area?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, minister. When you say that something is being considered, are you considering potential amendments in that space?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My question is about ASSIST. Through the hearings system, is the Government considering any clear pathway for support from organisations such as ASSIST for people who are experiencing, or who have been victims of, domestic violence?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Part of the concern is that there are statutory routes within the criminal justice system, including provisions such as special bail and non-harassment orders, that would trigger pathways to organisations such as ASSIST when domestic violence or violence against women and girls is a factor. Will the minister consider that at stages 2 and 3?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Surely, minister, you cannot expect members across the Parliament to vote for a bill that relies so heavily on social work without any reassurance from you that support will be in place for social work to meet the demands of the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Social Work Scotland and Children’s Hearings Scotland last week suggested that a 12 to 18-month timescale between the bill receiving royal assent and commencement could help with workforce planning issues, and other stakeholders support that view. What consideration are you giving to that call?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

—whether something will be dual reported through the children’s hearings and reporting system or whether it will be referred to the criminal justice system, given the increased numbers and the fact that the rise in age could mean that more serious offences might need to be dealt with.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The minister will be aware that, currently, automatic legal representation is available when the recommendation is that the young person be deprived of their liberty and that legal aid can be sought in those cases. We also know—and Clan Childlaw has provided evidence to the committee on this—that other sanctions can be used on offence grounds that impact hugely on a young person’s life and that could appear in disclosures in the future. Does the minister believe that having an automatic right to legal representation for all young people on offence grounds at the panel is important?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have one more question on timing, which is for Ben Farrugia, and a question on training.

We have just heard from Stephen Bermingham that, post-commencement, about 12 to 18 months would be required to get the panel members in position. What sort of timescale would be involved for the number of social workers that is required?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, convener, and I thank the witnesses for the evidence that they have given us so far.

The Government proposed that, alongside the bill, a victim contact team could be part of the solution to various issues. Could that be part of the answer, or would that be inadequate?