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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I echo everything that Willie Rennie has said about Shirley Rogers, but the point before us is that there is a real lack of trust in the organisation and in some of its leadership, so the ability to refresh it is important.

Another important point is that the process of recruiting to qualifications Scotland has already started, before qualifications Scotland has been set up. We do not yet know what the bill will look like or what the full functions of the organisation will be, so we do not yet know what membership we will need to have on the board of qualifications Scotland. We will have an opportunity to reassess things at that moment in time, after the bill has gone through, if it is passed. We can see what qualifications Scotland’s functions are and what is expected of it. We can then assess whether the board that is there is the board that should continue or whether it needs new membership.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Sorry—I said that that was my last question, but I have a brief follow-up. Have any of your members described what they think the implications of that would be and what would need to happen for them to be able to do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

As opposed to other types of learning in higher education or in addition to those?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My final question on this area is about the colleges. Colleges have said that they are concerned about some aspects of the current model for funding. In submissions on the bill, they have asked whether there will be a no-detriment principle in the way in which funding is distributed in the future. Are you considering that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If the bill were to be passed and all the funding were to go to the SFC, how big a priority would apprenticeships be on the scale of your work more widely? We have touched on that aspect already, but I would like to hear about it in the context of the 84,000 young people who are not in education, employment or training.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to move us on a little, to talk about financial sustainability and monitoring, on which the bill would introduce powers. I will start by setting the scene. Currently, about 84,000 young people in Scotland are not engaged in employment, education or training. More of them come from poorer areas than from other areas. Will the reforms that the bill proposes contribute meaningfully to addressing the immediate skills shortages that Scotland’s key sectors face?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I press amendment 351.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is absolutely fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the cabinet secretary for that intervention, and I hope that that helps my colleague Miles Briggs with his deliberations.