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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

A report that you commissioned said that

“The needs of the Gaelic language must be considered more fully across all areas of public policy and all levers, current and future, should be utilised to better support the language”,

and the bòrd, the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland and His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Education all agree that this should not be siloed to education. Do you know why your predecessors decided to make the bill an education bill? What new things does the bill introduce outwith education that will help the communities that you just described?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Can I interrupt you, Deputy First Minister? I appreciate what you are saying, but do you think that it is disappointing that the bill does not include housing, transport or other issues in its scope?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, convener, and there is no need to apologise.

I want to pick up on something that was said earlier by, I think, Claire Cullen on the scope of the bill and the fact that it has come to the education committee. I understand and accept that it is the norm for Parliament to determine which committee looks at which bill, but I would imagine that it is for the Government and the cabinet secretary at the time to determine the bill’s scope. When I asked the bill team about the scope of the bill earlier in our evidence-taking sessions, the answer that I got was that the bill’s scope is quite narrow. I will ask the question again: is it the Deputy First Minister’s view that the scope of this legislation could go beyond education to perhaps address some of the infrastructure challenges considered in the report that was referred to earlier?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. Some of the evidence that we have had has supported what you just said, but it has also been suggested that the bill represents incremental and quite slow progress. Professor McLeod said that it is important for us to think about “outcomes, not outputs”. What outcomes could not have been achieved administratively and through existing powers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

In that case, Deputy First Minister, can I just check whether at stage 2 you would envisage accepting amendments on things such as housing, transport and the economy in those areas?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning to the Deputy First Minister and your officials. I appreciated your opening statement. A lot of what you said was about work that is already going on. To what degree is the bill necessary to provide further support for Gaelic and Scots?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

In your submission, you noted that engagement within the community could wane and trust could be eroded if the bill does not adequately engage with the challenges within the community. Does the bill recognise that enough? If not, what else could it do?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I will press you on that point. The bill team said that some of those issues would be addressed in the strategy, and Highlands and Islands Enterprise said that some of those issues should be addressed in the bill. What do you think?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for that, James and Donald.

I will come to Joanna Peteranna to pick up on the point that has been made about wider issues, including culture. In your submission, you said:

“There are many wider contributory considerations in addition to Gaelic which are required for the communities and therefore the language to flourish, including factors such as housing availability, transport connections and digital connectivity. Acknowledgement of this within the Bill would be welcome.”

What do you think that the bill will do to support Gaelic, and what additional provisions would you like to see in the bill to address the issues that you highlighted?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you think that the bill will do that?