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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My understanding is slightly different. I understand that they were poles apart to an extent, but that that was largely down to the fact that there would be a hole in the funding that employers would need to find in order to come to an agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister. Thank you for answering the questions that you have answered so far.

I understand to a degree the point that you make about the budget, but I will take Willie Rennie’s question further and suggest that there is a responsibility on Government to consider how it will solve the problem. Countless organisations, including the Fraser of Allander Institute and Audit Scotland, have said that, if the Government is serious about even one part of its agenda that it says that it is serious about—the green economy—it cannot achieve its aims for that by making cuts to further and higher education. Therefore, the situation needs cross-portfolio working. What conversations are you having across Government about that? Is there any connection at all to the national strategy for economic transformation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Up until last week, you held the line that you and the Government should not be intervening. Then there was a meeting, and you intervened, and you found £4.5 million to help to facilitate the deal. I know that colleges, staff, students and I—and others around the table, I am sure—were pleased to see that happen. What changed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are you in a position to explain where the £4.5 million will come from?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Minister, part of the issue is that we are in a situation where there are in-year budget moves, and that is because of that kind of decision making.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a question about the letter that the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government wrote yesterday to the Finance and Public Administration Committee, about some of the cuts that may have to come. On mental health services, an £18.8 million reduction is earmarked. The letter says that that

“Saving includes mainstreaming elements of the Distress Brief Interventions programme”

and

“student mental health measures”.

Will you elaborate a bit more on what that means and how much of a cut it might mean for institutions and for students’ mental health?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

So did you not put that up for coming out of the budget?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On the point about industrial relations, it is probably fair to say that the minister is aware of what I think about how things have been going over recent months and years, and I have called several times for the Government, and the minister, to intervene to help things out. I will come to the resolution that you reached last week, which I am pleased was able to be reached. However, before I do that, I will build on Evelyn Tweed’s questions.

The Strathesk report has not yet had a full response from the Government, but there are a couple of outstanding questions from both sides, if we can call them that. One issue is that there does not seem to be much information flow between the meetings of employers and trade unions. Another issue is that the approach to facility time or the ability to engage in such meetings seems at times to be a bit imbalanced, with trade unions feeling that they do not get enough facility time to participate entirely. There is also an issue around the question of an independent chair.

What is the minister’s response to all that, and how will he address the issue of trust in the machinery?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That will be welcome. As you will be aware, when Shona Struthers from Colleges Scotland gave evidence to the committee, she said that she had

“never quite seen the college sector as it is now.”

I hope that you agree that colleges are key to delivering the skills that we need to grow our economy and to boost and build our public services. Shona Struthers also said:

“If you are not going to invest”—

you said clearly that the situation will not be addressed by an injection of cash, which is difficult—

“at least be clear about what it is that you ... want to be delivered”.—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 12 June 2024; c 3, 29.]

I ask you, minister, if and when you will provide the sector with the five-year plan that it has asked for, and what you expect of colleges. What is your plan for them to help to deliver those ambitions?