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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning. Thank you to the panel for your contributions so far. I want to pick up on a couple of points and will start with the point about parity of esteem, which Andrew Ritchie began to speak about.

Is there enough in the bill to support your vision of a career service from school through to jobs? Does the bill help that, or do we need to do something slightly different? Or is it nothing to do with the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My final question is for Jon Vincent, about funding for colleges. We have touched on the circumstances and the financial sustainability. From an answer to a parliamentary question that I submitted recently, it was clear that there is a disparity for college learners compared with others. Has that disparity been explained to you? What is your view about it and how does it fit with what we are trying to do in schools generally?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is helpful. Sir Paul, we have just heard from Andrew Ritchie about a medical school recognising an apprenticeship as equivalent to an A at higher. Are other schools considering that? How easy would it be to encourage that, either through or outwith the legislation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My question was about some of the issues that were being picked up and whether it would be different if the college was a managing agent, as opposed to an alternative model.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Some of the issues that we are discussing can be addressed outside the bill—some of them are financial issues and some of them are a bit about both. On the specifics of the bill itself, is there anything in the governance structure that you think is helpful? I am thinking of the proposals to change the membership of the Scottish Funding Council, for example. I cannot remember whether it was you, Stephanie, or Sarah Dalrymple or Phiona Rae, but one of you spoke about the distance between industry and schools. Phiona Rae gave some good examples of partnerships. Is there anything in the membership of the SFC in relation to appointments and the skills and experience that would be needed on the council that you would like us to look at that would improve your sector’s chances and relationships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is not a complaint. I am just reassuring you that your point was well made and has been heard.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is there a structure that could be legislated for that would support what you have just described?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is that because of the way that people are recruited to those roles or is it because students are busy doing other stuff, so there is a supply problem?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to build on the discussion that we have just had. What is the witnesses’ assessment of the proposals to change the provisions on membership of the Scottish Funding Council, the terms of appointment and the skills and experience of members that are being looked for, and the proposal to introduce co-opting powers?

10:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Does any of that change if the management agent is a college?