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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. I will move on to ask some detailed questions about advocacy. Laura Pasternak, I will start with you and then go to Margaret Smith.

The advocacy provisions in the bill, which are mainly in section 4, is shaped by a lot of secondary legislation. Some of the responses that we have had highlight the potential for confusion with section 18, which relates to information on advocacy in the hearings system. Is there anything that you think absolutely needs to be in the bill? Margaret Smith talked about a definition of independent advocacy. Should anything else on advocacy be in the bill? How does it relate to information on advocacy in the hearings system?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On the lifelong advocacy point, do you think that we need further information in the bill about when someone has access to advocacy and who has access to advocacy, or do you think that regulation is the space in which to do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. On that, do you think that it should be independent advocacy or legal advocacy?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Laura Pasternak, how would that approach interact with an approach involving independent advocacy?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Lynne O’Brien, you said in your evidence that many professionals who are already involved in young people’s lives will consider themselves to be advocating for the young person. Do you see a distinction between some of those professionals and an independent advocate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, convener; that is noted. I will get straight to it because of time.

Laura Pasternak, you said earlier that there were some things did not make it into the bill. Can you give us some idea of what those might be? Obviously, should the bill get through stage 1, there will be an opportunity for amendments at stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, Laura. Before I turn to you, Margaret Smith, I will ask Matt Forde about how the role of advocacy could work for infants and babies.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is that what you mean by an infant safeguarder?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

To go back to the original question, do we need amendments to the bill to achieve some of those things in education, housing and employment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If you do not mind, another point on advocacy relates to section 4(4), which you have said should be amended to ensure that the right to advocacy can be only expanded, rather than limited, by secondary legislation. Will you expand on that?