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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I share your concerns about the sector’s funding, as do colleges and universities. For example, Universities Scotland said that it is not necessarily the methodology that is the problem but the fact that university places for Scotland-domiciled students are chronically underfunded in Scotland and that there is more and more reliance on international students. Of course, the numbers of international students coming to Scotland are dropping. Does that context for universities and colleges concern you in relation to skills for the future?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Sure.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I suppose that that links back to your point about the ministerial stomach, which is important.

I will move on to ask about the role of colleges and universities, and the funding in that space. Colleges Scotland said that the skills framework that you have outlined, and skills in general in Scotland, rely on a strong college sector. Do you agree with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My final question is, what duplication did you notice in the system?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, and thank you for the answers that you have given so far. The description that you have given us of education in your areas and the parts that you are responsible for sounds exciting—that is definitely the future that we should be gearing towards.

I want to pick up on a couple of the points that we have heard so far. Graham Hutton, in your opening remarks, you said that the status quo cannot continue, and Pauline Walker mentioned that it was having a significant impact on pupils from poorer backgrounds. Can you tell us what it is about the status quo that is causing the problem for people from poorer or disadvantaged backgrounds? What in the reforms would change that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank both of you for those comprehensive answers. Do you think that the current reforms will get us to where we need to be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of the Skills Delivery Landscape

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It does—I appreciate that. In a similar vein, do you agree with Universities Scotland that some of the changes that you have suggested, including those that you have just described, can happen without legislative change? What decisions could be taken now around funding work-based learning or upskilling and reskilling, without legislative change?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Dr Brown wants to come in, and then I have one further question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for your candour, particularly in your recent answers. There is no greater need than the need to do something about the inequality that Dr Shapira and others made points on. I will move on to that now. As I said to the cabinet secretary yesterday, one reason why I think that reform is so important is that the attainment gap so stubbornly remains.

I have another question before I go into detail on that, although this is related. Is there a risk that, without examination at SCQF level 5, there is more pressure on pupils at highers? Given what you said, Dr Shapira, how will that affect our poorest students?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

No problem. I probably waffled a little bit as well. The specific question is this: is there a risk that, without examination at SCQF level 5, there is more pressure on pupils at highers? What would the impact of that be on poorer students?