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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My question was about the third sector, not local authorities. I will come back to local authorities.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that. I am content with that description and answer.

On the basis of taking that approach, what information can the Government set out in terms of the training or support that will be provided to the members of the chamber to which the issue has been allocated so that they understand some of the complexities? Although I appreciate what has been said about social security—this is council tax reduction; it is not a benefit—what specific support have members of the chamber been given so that they understand the complexities that some families may experience?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister, and good morning to your officials. Thank you for setting out the Government’s priorities and for sharing the information about the budget.

I want to raise a couple of issues. I take the point about the fairer Scotland budget statement being a huge improvement; we have heard that from witnesses. However, we also heard a witness say that navigating the budget document is still

“a bit of an art form.”——[Official Report, Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, 24 January 2023; c 6.]

We heard language such as “vague statements” and “no substance”. We heard that it is hard to find the data in the annexes and that there is “insufficient clarity” on the impact of decisions. If people whose job it is to analyse the budget in terms of equalities are still struggling to navigate it, I worry about accessibility for the wider public.

Do you agree that the information is not quite there yet and that there is still quite a bit of work to do to enable organisations and individuals to follow the budget in a way that provides transparency and accountability?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

To take the local authority funding issue a bit further, we know that cuts to local authority budgets have squeezed council resources and exacerbated inequality across Scotland, particularly in housing, education, social care and community development—areas that are important for equality and human rights. The same is true of the third sector.

I was struck by your comments about a commitment to fair grant funding. Last week, at the Social Justice and Social Security Committee, when I asked the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government about what she would do to support third sector organisations in relation to fair funding, I was disappointed that she basically said that they would have to look at their assets and resources. In effect, that meant that there would be no additional funding to help them to meet their requirements in that regard. How does that square with your ambition to ensure that they can continue to deliver for equality and human rights?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that, minister. We heard consistently from witnesses that it is not easy to follow the money all the way through, so that people can understand what is happening, whether a budget line is going up or down and how that impacts on equality and human rights. In some cases, witnesses, including Audit Scotland, said that there is a gap between the aspiration and the reality of what is being delivered. What conversations have you had with other Government departments and ministers with different portfolios about the impact of their budget lines on equality and human rights?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are you confident that ministers with other portfolios have the information, data and engagement that they need to be able to recognise how their budget can have an impact on equalities?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are you confident that local authorities have done that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The social care and education budgets are really squeezed. We hear of disabled people struggling. We heard from People First that the people it works with are having to choose whether to pay a bill, get the shopping or have a bath or a shower. Such choices do not result in equality and human rights being realised.

Yesterday, I met organisations that work in autism and heard about some of the experiences that they are having in the education sector. It is really difficult to find support for people when they transition out of school, because the services do not exist or the money is not available for them.

What conversations have you had with the Minister for Mental Wellbeing and Social Care, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and COSLA about the implications of some of those settlements for local authorities and the impact on equality and human rights? Ultimately, the issue is about specifics in those areas, as opposed to the broader £48 million that is going into the structural inequality funding.