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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I reiterate Willie Rennie’s thanks to the minister for coming today, because I know that this is an unusual situation. I thank the minister for shifting things around in order to be here.

This issue first came to my attention when my colleague Paul Sweeney, who was then an MP, wrote to John Swinney in 2017 about a family who were really struggling to get access to, and wanted to contribute through, this system, so I understand, value and support the changes that are in the regulations.

However, my concern is that universities, given their current circumstances, need to understand what the regulations will mean for places and for finance. How many more people does the minister believe will be able to access home tuition fee rates and living costs as a result of the changes that are to be made?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How did you arrive at those figures?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are you confident that that number will not increase as a result of the regulations?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I, too, am satisfied. I appreciate the minister’s willingness to send information to the committee when he has it. As long as we have a mechanism to make sure that that is forthcoming, I am content.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I want to put on the record that I think that the change is really beneficial, and I can see that it would mean that people could naturally follow on their course of education, but I think that the numbers are quite big.

Minister, will there be any additional funding associated with some of those changes for universities?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is that something that you would look at doing in the future, if the numbers increased? By what amount would the numbers need to increase before you would start to give universities more money?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What would you consider to be a substantial increase?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Does that include the changes for postgraduate study?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On what basis do you think that it is a technical arrangement only?

My understanding is that there are around 11,000 undergraduate students, of which 5,000 go on to do postgraduate courses elsewhere in the UK. That is a pretty big number. Do you know how many of those people will now be able to access free tuition as a result of the changes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate legislation

Meeting date: 7 June 2023

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that assurance, and I would welcome further correspondence on the numbers. However, if you do not put a particular number on what you would consider to be substantial, that presents a question for universities. We already know that there is demand for capped places and that it outstrips the supply. The regulations could further increase that demand—for good reason, as I set out when I started. However, it is only fair that universities understand what the likely costs could be and what the implication for funding and capped places will be.