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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is evidence as part of our work programme on building safety and maintenance. This morning, we are joined by Paul McLennan, the Minister for Housing. He is joined by Scottish Government officials Alan Johnston, deputy director of cladding remediation; Stephen Garvin, deputy director of building standards; and Ruth Whatling, housing standards team leader, better homes.

We have a number of questions to ask. I will begin—if I can find my question sheet.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is good to get that clear. I want to bring in an overarching topic that we discussed when we took evidence in our first session on cladding, many years ago. I think you will remember it, minister—it was an unusual session in the Burns room.

A few things came up. One idea was to have a kind of MOT around the maintenance and operations of buildings, and that buildings need to be regularly checked. The other thing that came up at the time was how we track what materials are being used in buildings. The discussion demonstrates the difficulty of going back to find the buildings, putting out the open call, getting people to come forward and identifying the problem areas. Is that something that the Government is looking into or would consider looking into?

Also, what action could we take—this came up in evidence—to prevent developers from using experimental or inadequately tested materials as a potential cost saving as part of whatever they are developing? How do we make sure that developers build buildings with materials that we can say are future proof, so that safety is inbuilt in the first place?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before you go on to your question on assessors, Meghan, I have a supplementary question. It would be helpful to understand how the Government is tracking, reporting on and monitoring the pilot programme. We had a wonderful, complex description from Alan Johnston, which was very helpful. How are owners and developers keeping the Scottish Government up to date on how things are developing?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

We will move on to questions about cladding remediation. I will bring in Fulton MacGregor, who joins us online.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Alexander Stewart has questions on the same subject.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

I want to pick up on Willie Coffey’s point about solar thermal. I take your point about the interest-free loan that is available. However, I hope that you will have a chance to look at the extensive evidence session that we had on damp and mould, when solar thermal was proposed for tackling it. As you will know, solar thermal means that the heating system does not start with cold water but with warmed-up water, so it does not have to use so much energy to heat the home. That was suggested as a response to fuel poverty.

I know that there has been a delay in the introduction of the heat in buildings bill that is partly to do with making sure that it will not push people into fuel poverty. I would therefore say that it could be good to look at a technology-neutral grant scheme.

Minister, you will recall that you came to the co-housing event. I want to flag up to you a point about investment and your earlier responses to Willie Coffey about people investing and the need for considerable investment. There is now an idea that people could invest to lock up carbon by using Scottish timber for retrofitting or new builds. It would great if the Government could take that on board and have a look at that. It will continue to be discussed. Rather than leaving the scope 3 emissions in trees that get blown down, we can use them to invest in housing that will not be blown down. You might have picked up on that at the co-housing event.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Will you clarify in which piece of legislation those existing powers exist?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

You just mentioned that there are existing powers that you could use.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

Super, thank you.

We will move on to retrofitting, fuel poverty and heat in buildings. I bring in Willie Coffey.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Ariane Burgess

It seems that you have covered it.