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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I have a question that will procure a short answer. Have any of the witnesses looked at the draft national planning framework, which was published earlier this month? If so, do you have any thoughts about how well it will deliver on the stated purpose

“to manage the development and use of land in the long-term public interest”

and its stated aims to

“ tackle and adapt to climate change”

and to

“restore biodiversity loss”?

I believe that, to some degree, farming is missing from the picture. It is a bit of a tome. If you have not had a look at it, I would love to hear from you in the future about your perspectives on it.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you to everybody for what has been a great discussion so far.

I am trying to understand the blocks and resistance among the farming and crofting communities to moving towards organic and regenerative approaches, agroecology and so on. I have picked up a number of things from this conversation and other conversations that I have had outwith this meeting. First, there needs to be knowledge transfer. Baselining and land ownership have not really come up in this conversation yet, but I am aware of issues around tenant farmers, short-term tenancies, tree planting and so on. On farmer indebtedness, it is beginning to strike me that some farmers are probably in debt to their current practices.

That is a set-up for a few questions that I have. One is on whether regenerative farming practices are currently taught in agricultural colleges. Andrew Bauer talked about the five demonstration farms. I wonder whether there is a need for an advisory service that could arrange training on regenerative measures. One of its key responsibilities could be to support a just transition for the whole sector. I have brought up that issue quite a few times in the chamber and in conversations. What would that look like, and how could we start going about it? I know that I am inviting something of a high-level response. Some of this might need to involve the baselining that was mentioned earlier.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Climate and Nature Emergencies

Meeting date: 24 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I just want to pick up on baselining. I want to understand that a bit more because, from conversations that I have had outwith the committee, it seems to be important. We do not really know what is out there. We do not know what we need to track with agriculture, so I would love to hear a bit more of your thoughts on that. What does baselining mean, what do we need to do, and what direction should we push the Government in to make it more useful for farmers? Does anybody want to have a go at that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Elected Office (Barriers)

Meeting date: 23 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

We will move on to our next theme, which Miles Briggs will lead on.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Elected Office (Barriers)

Meeting date: 23 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

The fourth agenda item is to take evidence as part of the committee’s inquiry into understanding barriers to elected office. We will take evidence from three panels. We want to find ways of supporting the promotion of more diverse local representation, identify the barriers to that and find ways of dismantling those barriers. Every sector of our communities should be represented at the decision-making table. As Councillor Alison Evison said previously,

“when that is the case, we can really see the difference that it can make.”—[Official Report, Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, 7 September; c 21.]

I welcome Councillor Evison, who is the president of the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; Alexis Camble, who is the policy and participation officer for equalities and is also from COSLA; Sarah Gadsden, who is the chief executive of the Improvement Service; and Laura Hutchison, who is the principal of the compliance team Scotland at the Equality and Human Rights Commission Scotland. Thank you for joining us. We will move straight to questions. For those of you who are joining us remotely on BlueJeans, please put an R in the chat box to indicate that you wish to respond to a question or contribute to the discussion.

Given that the McIntosh commission in 1999 and the Local Government Committee in 2000 highlighted a lack of diversity in local representation, why has progress been so slow? We will start with Councillor Evison.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Elected Office (Barriers)

Meeting date: 23 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that. It is clear that we need to work together. As you mentioned, after 20 years there is still a lack of diversity. Can you point to why progress has been so slow?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Elected Office (Barriers)

Meeting date: 23 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Willie Coffey has another question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Elected Office (Barriers)

Meeting date: 23 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I think that Junaid Ashraf wants to come in on the question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Elected Office (Barriers)

Meeting date: 23 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

Welcome back. We will continue taking evidence on barriers to elected office. I welcome our third and final panel: James Kelly is the general secretary of the Scottish Labour Party; Louise McAllister is councillor for the Ellon and District ward in Aberdeenshire; Roslyn MacPherson is a former council candidate from the Western Isles; Councillor Kelly Parry is the local government convener of the Scottish National Party; Sheila Ritchie is the convener of the Scottish Liberal Democrats; and Councillor Cameron Rose is from the Southside/Newington ward in Edinburgh. I thank them all for joining us.

If witnesses wish to respond to a question or contribute to a discussion, they should put an R in the chat box. Please try to be succinct in your responses. Time is against us. We want to hear from everyone and we have quite a few questions. We might direct specific questions to someone in particular if that will be more relevant.

I will start with a question that could take us all day. Despite that risk, I would like the witnesses to tell us how and why they became involved in local politics. The person who answers first may have a harder time. Please think about the key moment that brought you in and made you realise that this was something that you wanted to engage in.

I am looking at the order in which I called the names. James Kelly, could you make a start?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Local Elected Office (Barriers)

Meeting date: 23 November 2021

Ariane Burgess

I do not want to put you on the spot, but are you willing to tell us how much you get paid as a councillor? Moreover—and I know that it is difficult to speak for yourself on this issue—what do you think we should be looking at as the right level of remuneration for the work that you do?