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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 August 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Pam Gosal.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 19 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

For our second panel we are joined in the room by Martin Booth, who is the executive director of finance at Glasgow City Council, and Paul Manning, who is the executive director of finance and corporate resources and deputy chief executive officer at South Lanarkshire Council. We are also joined online by Robert Emmott, who is executive director of corporate services at Dundee City Council. I welcome you all to the meeting.

We turn to questions from members. As previously, we will try to direct questions to a specific witness where possible, but if you would like to come in, please indicate as much to the clerks. Robert, as you are appearing virtually, please type an R into the chat function. There is also no need to operate your microphones, as we will be doing that for you automatically. Sometimes there is a bit of a pause before the microphone comes on, but we are aware of that.

I will begin with the same general question that I asked the previous panel—and I will direct it to you first, Martin, as you know it is coming. I am interested in hearing you highlight what you believe to be the main challenge for the local government workforce at the moment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Minister, you have talked throughout the session, and just now, about the fact that this measure is part of a package of 99 measures. I do not know whether you are bringing forward, or have agreed to, all of them; that is not the point of my question. You have also talked about the relationships that you have had with land managers and professionals and practitioners on the ground in going to meet with them and discuss the issues.

It may be challenging for the committee, because we are looking at just a few of the measures in the package that you are talking about. When you go to talk to those practitioners and land managers, are you discussing those pieces as part of the whole package? Do the practitioners and the land managers understand that there are a number of measures that are going to come through over time, and do they see those bits as part of the whole, which we are perhaps not seeing?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Bracken Control

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Can you explain to some degree what endocrine disruptors do?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I would like to raise some points against the motion to annul. We have heard this morning that, currently, 48 per cent of the male deer that are culled are shot out of season and that the minister is bringing forward regulation that will remove the administrative burden on NatureScot and Forestry and Land Scotland. I have heard from Scottish Environment LINK, which is a body that is comprised of many environmental organisations in Scotland. It states:

“we fully support all 91 recommendations of the Independent Deer Working Group accepted by Scottish Government including the removal of close seasons for male deer.”

It goes on to say:

“There is no scientific basis for maintaining close seasons for male deer. Nor is there any historical tradition for the arrangement, which was introduced by the UK Government in the 1960s at a time when the red deer population was less than half its current size. Even then, there was opposition from the ... Deer Commission based in Scotland, which expressed concern about rising deer numbers. Deer damage to habitats does not cease during close seasons.

This measure does not actually oblige any landowner to cull male deer all year round.”

Scottish Environment LINK also refers to removing

“excessive bureaucracy, time, and cost to the public purse”,

which is important.

We have also heard this morning that the land managers and the practitioners who are involved are professional and that they care about animal welfare, and I trust that they will carry out the work in that light. We must remember that, currently, 48 per cent of the male deer that are culled are shot out of season. I trust that, after removing the bureaucratic burden and the burden on the public purse, those professionals will continue to carry out that work in that way.

Rather than listen to anecdotal evidence on animal welfare issues, we must listen to the evidence and advice given by the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission, the SSPCA and OneKind, as they are independent and are all experts in the matter.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Bracken Control

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

I might be mixing two things together but, if such work is done, will there be research on the evidence gaps for water that is not being tested?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Have the concerns around animal welfare been looked into?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Bracken Control

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

That was one thing that I wanted to clarify.

The reason why the Health and Safety Executive has raised the issue—it is probably why the chemical is not authorised and why it can be used only under an emergency application—is that the chemical is an endocrine disruptor. Is that correct?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Bracken Control

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

Who do the land managers who wish to use Asulox apply to? Is it NatureScot?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

It was great to hear the context from which the instrument arose and the work of the deer working group, which was set up due to the concern about the levels of damage to public interests caused by wild deer. Those public interests include a healthy environment with flourishing biodiversity and woodlands that can capture our excess carbon emissions. Minister, to what extent is increased deer control important for our natural regeneration?