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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Miles has pre-empted the next set of questions and pushed us into another conversation. Before we go there, I want to stick with the more general housing to 2040 strategy, and then we can go back to his question. We will have a specific set of questions about the cost of living, tenant protection and interim measures, and Miles’s question might fit better there.

I will direct a quick question at you, Ken Gibb. In your written submission, you talked about some work that you have done—I think it is the JRF work that you led—and mentioned something about the need for

“Institutional reform ideas”

including a new

“housing and land agency”.

The issue of getting the land to build the housing on has not come up in this conversation. Will you talk a little bit more about that idea? I know that there are budget cuts and a new agency might not be possible, but I want to understand how that could help us.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is a good point. Thank you for raising the housing needs and demand assessment, because, as I understand it—my understanding is based on good work that is being done in Orkney—that assessment does not uncover the real need that exists in communities, because people who live in rural communities, in particular, do not put themselves on a list because they do not believe that there is any possibility of obtaining housing. We have not really clarified that. By digging underneath that in the way that some housing folks in Orkney are doing, we can uncover the real need that exists at local level.

Let us go back to Miles Briggs’s question about whether we need a new housing bill or whether we should go back and look at what is already available and dust it off.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

David Melhuish has indicated that he wants to come in. After that, I will move on to the final four questions that we still have to cover, which are focused on the regulations under the Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Act 2022.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Should EPC ratings and other such things be included?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

I bring in Stephanie Callaghan, who joins us online and has been listening intently to the discussion.

12:00  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Pam, do you have a supplementary question on that point?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Item 2 is a round-table evidence-taking session on the “Housing to 2040” strategy. We are joined by Chris Birt, associate director for Scotland of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation; Dr Caroline Brown, director for Scotland, Ireland and English regions at the Royal Town Planning Institute; Stephen Connor, development manager at the Tenants Information Service; Emma Jackson, social justice strategic lead at Citizens Advice Scotland; Eilidh Keay, who represents Living Rent; Professor Ken Gibb, director of the UK Collaborative Centre for Housing Evidence, based at the University of Glasgow; Gordon MacRae, assistant director for communications and advocacy at Shelter Scotland; David Melhuish, directorof the Scottish Property Federation; Ronnie Macrae, chief executive officer of the Communites Housing Trust; Rhiannon Sims, senior policy officer at Crisis; and Chris Stewart, president of the Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland.

I warmly welcome our witnesses to the meeting. To begin our conversation, I invite everyone to briefly introduce themselves. I am the convener of the committee and an MSP for the Highlands and Islands.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

That was very constructive and helpful.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks.

I just want to sort out a couple of things, process-wise. We might have started to touch on some questions that colleagues want to ask, so I am going to bring in Marie McNair. However, I already have a stack of people who want to come in—and I have just realised that Caroline Brown has not yet had a chance to speak. It would be great to hear from her from the planning side on this topic of the balance between short and long-term approaches, so I will bring her in now and then bring in Marie McNair. I will then go to David Melhuish, Chris Birt and Emma Jackson.

I am just trying to keep the conversation going. It is a bit like lasagne; every so often, I will add in another question, and witnesses can choose to pick up on that or go back to something else that they want to get on the record.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much. It is always very helpful when somebody comes in with an idea—something that can bring about a chain of moves.