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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, John, and thanks for joining us.

I have a question on the precautionary principle. The REC Committee’s and interactions working group’s reports recommended the need for a precautionary approach to mitigate any impacts of sea lice infestation on wild salmon. I am interested in getting from you a sense of whether SEPA’s sea lice risk framework applies such an approach, given that, as I think you said, it is the only one of your recommendations that has been put in place since you produced your report.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I have one last question about the measurement of the amount of sea lice, which is related to the precautionary approach. Last week, we heard from SEPA that it is taking a case-by-case approach to the levels of sea lice on fish farms, but we know that Norway has taken an approach that involves a limit of 0.2 sea lice per female salmon. What are your thoughts on whether a broad approach like Norway’s or a case-by-approach is the appropriate one for Scotland?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Good morning. Recommendation 44 of the RECC report was that

“mechanisms to encourage ... collaboration between the sectors should be further developed and introduced.”

The report also recommended that

“the Scottish Government’s wild salmon interactions group should, as part of its work, address this matter as a priority”.

Is it your sense that there has been improvement in relation to collaboration and the transparency aspect of collaboration and information sharing between the two sectors since 2018? If you have any examples of good practice, it would be great to hear them.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

That forum is the formal mechanism that you are asking for. Who should take that forward?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I asked our previous witness about the no deterioration approach. SEPA says that it can prevent deterioration of wild salmon populations by allowing the highest-risk farms to continue to have sea lice levels as high as their recent levels, instead of reducing them. Do you think that that will prevent wild salmon numbers from falling due to sea lice?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I come back to your earlier comment that SEPA needs to take a cumulative approach. It has said that it is taking more of a case-by-case approach. Can you say a bit more about why you think it needs to be cumulative?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

My final question is on the way in which data is presented. In its recommendation 22, the REC Committee said that there needs to be an

“enhancement in the way sea lice data ... is presented”

and it called for

“a comprehensive, accessible reporting system”.

I am interested in your thoughts on how data is currently presented. Is it comprehensive and accessible?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 26 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is certainly the case, but I have heard anecdotally that there are curtains of sea lice in lochs where there are fish farms, so it seems that the presence of fish farming causes an increase in sea lice, hence the need to use chemicals or cleaner fish to mitigate that and keep lice numbers down.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay—thank you for that. I have a couple of process questions. First, I am interested to hear who you consulted and how as you developed the changes in the order. Secondly, how did the results of that consultation shape the final content of the order?