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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

It sounds like there is a role for the Scottish National Investment Bank in that kind of situation. Before I bring in Fulton, I will say to colleagues that we are rapidly coming towards the end of our allocated time. We still have quite a few questions to cover, but, if you have been paying attention—as I hope that you all have—you will know that we have started to touch on some of the areas that we are interested in exploring a bit more.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Fulton, you glitched out a little bit, so if you could just paraphrase your question, that would be great.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Yes, it has been going on for almost 10 years now. Fulton, do you want to come back in?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

You mentioned dysfunction. Will you unpack that a bit?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Does Christian Hilber have anything to add?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Maybe we will uncover a bit more of that as we go on.

My next question was going to be whether you agree that there is a national housing emergency in Scotland. I am getting from what you have all said that you agree that there is one. Has the Scottish Government been clear about how it has defined that? Is it defining that in the same way as you are defining it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Emma Roddick, I want to pick up on a longer-term issue. This question is not necessarily for Christian Hilber, but it relates to his point about the need to reform our planning systems. When I talked to Argyll and Bute Council about that, a point was made that planning permission might be granted to a developer, but there is nothing in the system that requires the developer to move forward. The developer has permission but does not necessarily build the houses. Do we need something in place so that, when developers have permission, they move forward and build houses?

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Our next item is to take evidence for our housing inquiry from two panels of witnesses. The sessions are an opportunity for the committee to look at the response to the housing emergency and to consider how we move beyond that to a sustainable housing system that works for all.

We are joined by our first panel: Chris Birt, associate director for Scotland, Joseph Rowntree Foundation; Professor Ken Gibb, director, UK Collaborative Centre for Housing Evidence at the University of Glasgow; and Professor Christian Hilber, department of geography and environment, London School of Economics and Political Science. I welcome the witnesses and I turn to questions from members.

We have about 75 minutes for the session and we have a lot of ground to cover, so I would be grateful if witnesses kept their responses—and members kept their questions—as concise as possible. We will try to direct questions to specific witnesses where possible but, if you would like to come in, please indicate that to the clerks or me. There is no need to turn your microphones on and off, as we will do that for you.

I begin with a number of general scene-setting questions. I am interested in hearing what constitutes a housing emergency from your perspective, so that we can understand that as a baseline for our discussion. I will start with Chris Birt and work across.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is great. I think that we will have some questions later about defining the housing emergency, so I will let colleagues come in on that.

Christian Hilber noted the percentage of the population in Scotland that is not in permanent housing, with reference to the Financial Times report, and used the word “shocking”. That is one aspect. Does Ken Gibb or Chris Birt have anything to add on how Scotland’s position compares with that of the rest of the UK?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing Emergency

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay—I think we got that.