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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

National Care Service

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

I am really sorry, but I need to keep going.

We can agree that there are some good things in the bill. We all recognise the importance of Anne’s law. I met campaigners outside Parliament, as did others from across the chamber. The pandemic robbed many people of their last precious hours and days. I want better and consistently offered bereavement support for unpaid carers, as well as support with manual handling and, crucially, the right to short breaks. We need to ensure that that is implemented consistently to ensure that breaks are available, in a way that is useful to them, for people who have multiple caring responsibilities.

In reality, there is too much to cover in four minutes. There are real opportunities through co-design and secondary legislation to be flexible, to listen, to take account and to change things that do not work as anticipated. I recognise the anxiety around the lack of detail, but I look forward to working with carers’ organisations, with people with lived experience and with care workers in order to ensure that the bill delivers on its core aim, which is to make things better and more consistent for people who use the social care system and people who work in it.

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Meeting of the Parliament

National Care Service

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

I do not often tell personal stories in my speeches, but today I will repeat the story that I shared in my very first speech in the chamber.

My grandpa fell in his house shortly before the council elections in 2017. After that fall and his recovery, he required care in his home for the rest of his life. His carers were far more than help around the house—they enhanced and enriched his life. He loved to tell stories, and what his carers and, often, their families were up to became part of the stories that we were told. We knew that he was safe with them, and they often stayed to make us a cup of tea when we needed it, too. Words could never express how grateful I am to each and every one of them.

His experience, and the fact that not everyone has that experience, is what drives my approach to the national care service. We must ensure that people receive person-centred care. I acknowledge the anxiety about the lack of detail in the bill. Framework bills do not give the immediate certainty that is needed, but the bill provides people who receive care, their families and their care workers with the ability to offer input to how the service runs. Let us not pretend that our current system is one in which their voices are always heard. The bill gives us the chance to get things right.

Fair work must be at the heart of that. I was hugely frustrated to hear from my grandpa’s carers about the lack of holiday pay, sick pay and maternity pay, and even lack of consideration for something as basic as local knowledge.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

I appreciate the work that is being done at joint ministerial working group level and all that sort of thing, but what work is being done at COSLA level to make sure that good terms and conditions exist? One thing that is being looked at in the creation of the national care service is making terms and conditions consistent across the country. What is being done in relation to the services that are delivered by local authorities to ensure that terms and conditions and working conditions are consistent across the country? Also, what is being done where services are contracted out by councils? The variations are wild, in some places.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

In its written submission, the Faculty of Advocates raises concerns about use of the word “sufficient” in relation to carers’ breaks. How can that wording be strengthened? Does the faculty have a view on what mechanism would be most appropriate to determine what qualifies as “sufficient”?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

Good morning. What are your views on how we can ensure that carers are consulted on whether the breaks that they receive are sufficient, and should a mechanism to support that be included in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

Thanks, convener. I apologise to everyone; I have to go to the Parliamentary Bureau in a couple of minutes.

My question is particularly for Councillor Kelly. You referenced geographical variation around delivery, but there is also geographical variation around terms and conditions and working conditions for staff. How would you like that to be strengthened in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

If there is anything specific going on in councils, it would be really useful for the committee to hear about that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

I appreciate that. Some of this is absolutely about resource but, as you referenced earlier, it is also about culture, which does not always need pounds behind it. What is being done by COSLA to improve the culture in which people work?

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 27 October 2022

Gillian Mackay

To ask the Scottish Government what steps it is taking to support the workforce skills that are needed to pursue a transition towards a fossil fuel-free future. (S6O-01466)

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 27 October 2022

Gillian Mackay

A recent report by Scottish Renewables found that more than 27,000 people in Scotland are directly employed in Scotland’s renewables sector. With fossil fuel supplies likely to be impacted this winter, the need to accelerate the transition to a green future has never been greater.

Will the minister outline what steps the Scottish Government is taking to ensure that the green jobs workforce academy and similar programmes are boosting skills and employment across Scotland, including in my Central Scotland region?