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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

That is a lot of money, minister. Where is it actually coming from?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

So, I mean—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

These are facts.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

You can tell from the tone of my voice that I will do so.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

The Scottish Conservatives’ position on that, as you well know—I do not want to have it mischaracterised—is that we also support paid tuition fees. However, we understand that issues arise with those. When someone like Sir Peter—who is widely respected not only in Scotland or the United Kingdom but throughout the world—raises issues around other ways in which Scottish students might be able to get university places, we think it worth having a calm and considered debate. I am glad that you have done so, but when I heard the First Minister’s response I thought that perhaps he had not read the article. He immediately shut down the argument.

None of us is saying that there should not be paid tuition; we are saying that we should look at other ways in which we can expand revenue streams for Scottish universities. I am not saying that that should involve Scottish families paying tuition fees for their sons and daughters to go to Scottish universities, but if it did, that can only be a good thing, surely.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

That would not make sense—no.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

I respect the minister. He sat beside me in this committee just a few weeks ago. We have heard him ask questions of ministers who have come before us and we have heard him talk about his passion for this issue, so I do not doubt his personal commitment. However, it is a bit rich of him, as a minister, to say to us, as members, “Tell us where we can save the money and we’ll spend it.” We do not know where the money can be saved, just as we do not know where the rest of the money will come from to pay the teachers’ settlement. If the minister wants a number of us to sit down and go through all his budgets with him, I am up for that, but he should stop pretending that somehow we have got the same vision of things as he has.

My question is simple. Colleges Scotland said:

“Colleges are needed more than ever to mitigate poverty in communities across the country, provide life-changing opportunities for people, and create the future workforce which will tackle the climate emergency.”

We all agree with that, but look at the record of the Scottish National Party in government for the past 16 years. It transpires, from answers that the minister gave to parliamentary questions recently, that the number of people studying in our colleges has gone down by 33 per cent in the 16 years of this SNP Government. Funding for every place has gone down by 10 per cent in real terms. Those are answers that the minister gave to parliamentary colleagues. This is a hatchet job on the college sector. How can the college sector do the job that we all know that it needs to do when it has been the victim of a Government hatchet job over 16 years?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

You came into Government—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

Open the books, invite us in and we will go through the budget with you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities and Colleges Funding 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 May 2023

Stephen Kerr

In the context of what we have been discussing, the colleges have had quite a lot of air time at this meeting, and rightly so, but the universities also need addressing. Let us put the whole discussion into context. In its submission to us, Universities Scotland said that

“university teaching funding had already been cut by the Scottish Government by 27% in real terms between 2014/15 and 2022/23.”

As Willie Rennie highlighted, it also said:

“The main research grant had been cut by 31% in real terms over the same period.”

We cannot afford to allow Scotland’s universities to languish or to have a managed decline. Minister, I think that you agree with that. Will you affirm, here and now, that during your term of office as Minister for Higher and Further Education there will be no further decline in the funding of those institutions?