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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is this SAFE that you are talking about? Is it the SPS agreement?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

The negotiating mandate?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

You rightly get exercised about the rights and powers of Parliament under the devolution settlement, but the problem with dynamic alignment is that it puts us into a worse position than we were in before we left the European Union, because Britain will have no role, other than third-party consultation, prior to any new directives or regulations, and we will have no choice but to accept them. If the UK Government took that line as its general approach to how it governs, you would object to that very strongly, and when it does you object very strongly, so why do you not object to such an arrangement with the European Union?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

You are doing a marvellous job of deflection. My final—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Can we have a copy?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Let us do that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, but I want to know what was discussed in that regard and what resolutions or otherwise were reached between the First Minister and the Prime Minister.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Your letter to the convener talks about the SPS agreement, if I may swivel to that issue. You rightly suggest in the second paragraph that

“Progress on an SPS agreement, if realised”—

if realised—

“can bring real benefits”.

You were very positive earlier about the prospect of that being realised, but that might well be your natural, buoyant optimism speaking. The reality is that negotiations with the European Union are pretty difficult and sometimes very extended. From what you understand, when could we see such an agreement? There is no such agreement at the minute. It is all just vague good feelings. When could there realistically be an agreement?

From our conversations in London, it looks like the first year—that is, between the previous summit in May and the next one—is all going to be about security action for Europe, or SAFE. It will all be about defence and security. EU negotiating positions, notoriously, take a while—you know that better than most. The idea that they will be done by the end of the summer also seems optimistic, so when could we realistically be looking at scrutinising a proposed SPS agreement between the UK and the EU?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

So, it could be years off.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

For the SPS?