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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 June 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Your letter to the convener talks about the SPS agreement, if I may swivel to that issue. You rightly suggest in the second paragraph that

“Progress on an SPS agreement, if realised”—

if realised—

“can bring real benefits”.

You were very positive earlier about the prospect of that being realised, but that might well be your natural, buoyant optimism speaking. The reality is that negotiations with the European Union are pretty difficult and sometimes very extended. From what you understand, when could we see such an agreement? There is no such agreement at the minute. It is all just vague good feelings. When could there realistically be an agreement?

From our conversations in London, it looks like the first year—that is, between the previous summit in May and the next one—is all going to be about security action for Europe, or SAFE. It will all be about defence and security. EU negotiating positions, notoriously, take a while—you know that better than most. The idea that they will be done by the end of the summer also seems optimistic, so when could we realistically be looking at scrutinising a proposed SPS agreement between the UK and the EU?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

So, it could be years off.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

For the SPS?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

I think that the sense on the continent is of an imminent threat of war. Therefore, it is understandable that the European Union will want to press ahead—and rightly so—with British inclusion in SAFE as a third country. I am sure that we could have a longer session on that, but I do not think that there is an appetite to have it today.

On proper EU SPS agreements, there are two models in existence. The agreement with Switzerland, which has been in place since 1999, has dynamic alignment. The EU’s SPS agreement with New Zealand, which uses a different model, is even older. It recognises the equivalence of sanitary measures, minimises physical checks and allows streamlined certification—the last of which would be highly desirable for us as well, I hope you would agree. Of those two existing models—I know that an argument will be that there is a third model, because Britain is in a different category, but those are the two existing off-the-shelf models—I think that what you say in your letter to the convener is that you would favour “dynamic alignment”.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Can I have one final, very quick question?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Ofcom

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

George Adam is not a fan of regulators in general, I think, and I am afraid that I join him in that. The Westminster Parliament gives regulators powers, but I am unconvinced that they use their powers. I think that George Adam has made a very strong case for that in connection with what is happening with radio broadcasting in Scotland. At the end of the day, the reason why we have a regulator is to make sure that the marketplace is fair and that it fairly reflects what Parliament—Westminster in this case—has regulated for you to enforce.

I did not think that the answer that you gave to Alexander Stewart was particularly convincing. Instead of talking about ensuring that the 8 per cent of programming that the BBC is required to make in Scotland is made in Scotland by local production, it sounded like you were creating a massive loophole by talking about nuance and flexibility. How committed is the regulator, Ofcom, to insisting that that 8 per cent is not just a tick box for the BBC and that the programme is actually being made by locally based production companies? I did not hear any assurance in response to Mr Stewart’s question that that was your intention at all.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Ofcom

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

No, I understand that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Ofcom

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

What is Ofcom’s interpretation of that wording currently? You are the regulator, and I presume you have interpreted article 14. What is your interpretation?

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Ofcom

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

No, what does

“authentic portrayal and representation of the diverse communities”

mean? What programming, what tangible measurement? I know that you are reporting—I get that—but what is your tangible measurement? How do we know whether the BBC is fulfilling article 14 in a Scottish context?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Ofcom

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

Are they happy with it?