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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

I have a few points that I want to clarify. I agree with Keith Brown: some of this feels very heavy-handed to me. Perhaps it is just about how you see things, but it feels that way. I know that George Adam has maybe taken a different view. For example, in section 7, charities cannot shake a tin outside a venue for a good cause. Why is that felt to be a threat to the commercial might of UEFA?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

It can be, though, can it not? Section 3(2)(b) permits

“a body outwith Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland”,

to do what I am suggesting for a local hospital or a playgroup—something that is not a registered charity. That would include the Isle of Man, Jersey and the Channel Islands. It seems to me that we are being particularly harsh towards organisations that are not registered with OSCR, but which are definitely charitable—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

Good morning. It is very exciting to have a major global sporting event happen right on our doorstep. We are all very supportive.

However, a number of aspects of the bill deserve scrutiny. Will you explain the ticket touting elements? Will the bill prohibit ticket touting in Scotland only? I am thinking of schedule 1, which seems to suggest that the provisions of section 2 about ticket touting apply to the territory of Scotland only, that it will be quite possible for tickets to be sold—touted—outside of Scotland and that the provision of information society services, or ISS, can be done online. How will we police that, or is it outside the reach of our considerations?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

Are we allowing police officers to do things that they would not normally do, other than in the case of a real and substantial risk to life?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

Of course, that was a slightly different event. I think that your information would be very useful because the point will no doubt come up again as we continue to scrutinise the bill.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

Of course, that is the whole point of this. I appreciate that. The significant thing, as I understand it from the 2020 legislation, is there was not one conviction.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is useful to know. I note that busking is also there.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am not seeing—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

I completely understand the secondary sales aspect. That is part of the fixture for concerts and games, is it not? I just think that it looks very odd, frankly. We have this whole thing about touting and then in the middle it says that UEFA can effectively bypass all that. I understand the intention but question where it sits in the bill, in connection with touting. That is my take on it.

There are similar issues with the selling of tickets under section 3. I understand the point about charities. However, many good causes would benefit from a charity auction of a ticket that are not registered charities. I am thinking, for example, of local hospitals or schools. Was there any consideration of the charitable dimension in section 3?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, it would be useful to have as much information about that as possible. Might there be similar legislation coming from the UK or Welsh Governments? Will it prevent someone from touting a ticket in Carlisle, just on the other side of the border, for the games in Glasgow?