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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Funeral Support Payment

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

Based on what I have heard, I will try to turn the question around. Given that the majority of awards of funeral support payment already go directly to funeral directors, would removing the claimant choice entirely be proportionate to the scale of the issue that you are describing?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Funeral Support Payment

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

The next item of business is a round-table discussion on the funeral support payment. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting. With us, we have: Adam Stachura, director of policy, communications and external affairs, Age Scotland; John Halliday, chair, Caledonia Funeral Aid; Jim Brodie, managing director, Brodies Funeral Services, who is also attending on behalf of the National Association of Funeral Directors; Gerry Boyle, regional manager, Dignity Funeral Directors; and Andrew Purves, chief operating officer and director, William Purves Funeral Directors.

The meeting is in a round-table format, which we hope will enable a free-flowing conversation. The committee is very much in listening mode today—because I told members earlier that that is what will happen—so, if you wish to speak, please do so.

We intend to address four main themes, and we have about an hour and 15 minutes, give or take, in which to do so. I encourage members and witnesses to be as succinct as possible in their questions and answers.

I will introduce the first theme, which concerns the issue of whether the funeral support payment is made to the client or the funeral director. I want to specifically address the effects of giving clients a choice about whether the funeral support payment is made directly to them or to the funeral director. From the information that we have received, we know that around 60 per cent of payments are already issued directly to funeral directors. However, we have also heard concerns from some stakeholders about non-payment and potential financial risk. I am keen to explore the scale of the risk and the extent of the issue, whether the evidence supports any structural change and whether there are any proportionate alternatives that protect bereaved families and funeral providers. My first question is, are we talking about a small minority of cases, or is the issue more widespread? Jim Brodie, would you like to come in on that?

09:15

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Funeral Support Payment

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

That is okay.

Before we move on, I remind Jeremy Balfour that it he wants to come in he should first declare his interests.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Funeral Support Payment

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

Thank you for that information. Gerry, do you want to come back in?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Funeral Support Payment

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

That brings us to our final theme. I invite Alexander Stewart to facilitate that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Funeral Support Payment

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

Does anyone else have any other questions or comments?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Funeral Support Payment

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

I invite Bob Doris to come in, and I think that Gerry Boyle wants to come back in. I am looking around the room to see who else has their hands up.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Funeral Support Payment

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

I am interested in what Gerry Boyle said about councils maximising their income, because, when Elena Whitham and I were sharing stories of our time as councillors—I was on South Lanarkshire Council—we discussed the fact that Highland Council had created a pet cemetery in order to raise revenue. Elena might remember that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

Good morning and welcome to the 7th meeting in 2026 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. We have apologies from Claire Baker.

Our first item of business is to decide whether to take items 5 and 6 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2026

Collette Stevenson

Our next item is consideration of two draft Scottish statutory instruments. The instruments were laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that the Parliament must approve them before they come into force.

I welcome to the meeting Shirley-Anne Somerville, the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, and her officials from the Scottish Government. Kyle Murray is procedural and international policy team leader, social security policy, and Fiona Bowen is a lawyer. Thank you very much for joining us today.

Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited under item 3 to consider motions to recommend that both instruments be approved. I remind everyone that Scottish Government officials can speak under this item but not in the debate that follows.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make some opening remarks on the SSIs.