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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

I thank the Deputy First Minister and his officials for making the very early start this morning. We will consider the evidence that we have heard under agenda item 4.

I suspend the meeting for a brief comfort break and for witnesses to change over.

09:05 Meeting suspended.  

09:10 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

We move on to our next set of questions, and I hand over to my colleague Emma Roddick.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

Welcome back, everyone. I welcome to the meeting our third panel of witnesses this morning. On the panel we have Gordon MacRae, who is the assistant director of Shelter Scotland, and Frank McKillop, who is the head of policy and research at Enable Scotland. Frank joins us remotely.

I have reminded members that we cannot just direct all of our questions to Gordon MacRae because he is in the room with us and that we have to remember that we have Frank McKillop online. As always, I ask members to direct their questions to one of the witnesses to start off, then the other witness can respond if they want to. Frank, I will keep an eye on you, so give me a wave if you want to answer and then give our colleagues in broadcasting a second to turn on your microphone before you speak.

Thank you, both, for your written submissions and for making time to join us today. The deputy convener of the committee, Natalie Don, is going to start us off with some questions on the impact of the rising cost of living.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

Our next item of business is an evidence session on budget savings and reductions in 2022-23. On 7 September, John Swinney announced £500 million of in-year reductions to the budget, and some of those are relevant to our remit—namely, employability, education maintenance allowance, concessionary fares and rail fares, and child poverty consequentials.

I welcome to the meeting the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Covid Recovery, John Swinney, who is also covering the finance brief at the moment, and his officials, Julie Humphreys, deputy director of tackling child poverty and financial wellbeing at the Scottish Government, and Michael Walker, senior finance business partner at the Scottish Government.

I hand over to the Deputy First Minister to make an opening statement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

I turn to members for questions. We have grouped questions into themes of employability, education maintenance allowance, concessionary fares and transport costs, and cost of living consequentials and child poverty. Members, as ever, will also have their own questions, which I will bring them in on towards the end. To start, members should direct their questions to the Deputy First Minister, who will bring in his officials when he decides to.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you, Deputy First Minister. That clarifies the point for us all.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

Who is that for?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

I thank the witnesses for joining us this morning to give evidence and for their written submissions. I should say that the committee undertook human rights training over the summer; the PANEL principles are therefore at the forefront of our minds, and we think that they represent a key way of undertaking our scrutiny work as best we can.

I suspend briefly for a changeover of witnesses. If everyone could be back in approximately five minutes, that would be helpful.

10:03 Meeting suspended.  

10:08 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

Do you have questions on spending powers, which is the next theme?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

We turn to questions from Jeremy Balfour.