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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Elena Whitham

I welcome David Strang to his role.

We know that there are strong links between poverty, deprivation, inequalities and problem drug use. In Scotland, we can trace that back to the economic policies of the 1980s. The people who grew up during that period, who are now in their late 40s and early 50s—my age cohort—and who live in deprived areas have the highest risk of drug deaths. How crucial is the Scottish Government’s anti-poverty work to tackling the drug deaths crisis, and do you recognise the need to work across policy areas and Government departments, local authorities and the third sector? You have already touched on that a bit, but I want to gather your thoughts on that area.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Elena Whitham

We heard from Minister Kit Malthouse that the UK Government is still not convinced about the use of safer consumption facilities for public health purposes. What is your feeling about that? In my experience, such facilities are a gateway for people to access services. People who might be afraid to come forward or reach out in other ways can be signposted in a setting where they are actually looked after and kept safe—and, hopefully, kept alive if something terrible happens. What are your thoughts on the use of safer consumption facilities as a public health and safety measure within the basket of measures that we are convening?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 2 February 2022

Elena Whitham

As a member of the Scotland prevention review group, I understand the clear need to prevent homelessness in the first place, and I am glad to see that a public consultation is under way on the prevention duties. Minister, do you, like me, recognise the need for wider public bodies to have a duty to ask and to act when it comes to preventing homelessness, and to work across departments and sectors to support individuals and families? How do you see such an approach helping to reduce drug deaths and the devastation that they cause?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Elena Whitham

Turning back to Scotland, we know that the cohort of people among whom we are seeing the most drug deaths at the moment are people of my age, who were born in the 1970s and experienced the lack of a just transition from the closure of our pits and industries. It is among those individuals that we are now seeing multiple deprivation and problematic drug use. We know that there is an issue with poly-drug use in Scotland.

16:15  

In the time that I have, I want to push you again on the issue of a public health approach versus a criminal justice approach. The UK Government’s 10-year strategy seems to have a really heavy focus on a criminal justice approach, but, as someone who has supported people facing criminal justice for their problematic drug use and with all the underlying social problems that they have, I know that a criminal justice approach would lead to those people not engaging. How do we square that circle?

You mentioned Karyn McCluskey and the violence reduction unit, but I would point out that, instead of solely criminalising people, the policing involved in that initiative sought to deter violence with, for example, amnesties for knife possession. Can I push you a little bit more on that?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Elena Whitham

My questions come from the fact that I am the convener of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee and a former Women’s Aid worker and homelessness worker who spent a lot of time supporting people—[Inaudible.]—drug misuse.

My first question is around poverty, which you were just speaking about. We know that there are very strong links between poverty, deprivation, adverse childhood experiences, trauma and drug deaths, especially here in Scotland. We know that it is a very complex and multifaceted issue to address. Would you agree with the opinion that Scotland’s higher rate of drug deaths reflects historical patterns resulting from economic policies of the 1980s, which we can also see in the north-east of England? Do you have views on which particular anti-poverty programmes, such as the Scottish Government’s new child payment, will have the greatest impact on reducing drug harms?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Elena Whitham

I do not think that anybody is saying that that is a bad thing. We would all recognise that a basket of measures is needed.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

I will bring in my colleague Miles Briggs.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Does any member wish to speak in the debate of the motion? Please type R in the chat box if you want to come in. [Interruption.]

My door bell has just gone—would you believe that? What can you do when you are live?

Three members have indicated that they would like to speak. I will bring Pam Duncan-Glancy in first, then Evelyn Tweed and Jeremy Balfour.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Evelyn Tweed will ask about themes 5 and 6, after which Jeremy Balfour will also ask about theme 6.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Pam, do you have anything further to ask at the moment?