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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

My question is for either Tony Buchanan or Mike Burns. I agree that integration has brought about really positive changes for families, and I share the passion expressed by all the witnesses for providing the best possible support.

However, we need to go back to the beginning and realise that children cannot be seen in isolation, because they are part of families and are therefore really affected by adult social care. The whole point of the review was to shine a light on the need for a change in ethos and culture across social care services, with co-production and co-design at the centre of all that. It was always about providing care that really matters to the individual, and co-design and co-production have been a huge part of that process.

I am struggling to understand what I have heard. On the one hand, I am hearing that the council team has worked really collaboratively and that, although it has faced huge complexities and different structures and barriers, it is still working collaboratively to make things happen. However, that seems to be at odds with the suggestion that co-design and co-production that include people with lived experience and those workers in designing and implementing policies will not work in a national care service. I am struggling to understand why you think that. Can you give me an explanation? It just seems to be at odds with what you are saying.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

Sorry, convener. I had meant that to be shorter.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

On the point about locally elected members and decision making, it was my understanding that care boards would include elected members as well as different organisations—local, third sector and voluntary organisations—and people with lived experience. I just make that point.

What does a human rights-based approach look like in the context of the bill, particularly for care-experienced young people, children with disabilities, young carers and children with additional support needs? I will go first to Cameron-Wong McDermott, who looks keen.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

That answer was incredibly helpful. I suppose that the co-production or co-design that is at the centre of the proposal focuses on the areas that you talked about.

The aim of the framework bill is to produce a bit of legislation that we can then hang the secondary legislation on, if you like. However, do you feel that anything is missing from the framework bill? Is there anything that you would like us to make a recommendation on?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

Are there are elements in the bill that provide opportunities to address existing inequalities and to improve accessibility? Jackie Irvine might be able to pick up on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

As I understand it, there will be changes to children’s services, depending on where those services sit now—whether the structure in place is an IJB or a lead organisation—and regardless of whether those are included in the national care service. Are you saying that, on balance, including children’s services would be more positive than not doing so?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

Will the bill as introduced create the conditions for innovation? Are co-design and co-production well enough and broadly enough understood across health and social care?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

That was really great—what you said was dead helpful. The point about protections for chief social work officers was well made, although I note that it could apply to heads of service as well, and not just at the very top level.

My question picks up on Gillian Mackay’s points. In my constituency, Enable Scotland uses SDS and delivers personal assistants. The approach is about focusing on the individual and what matters to them, and it involves taking a wellbeing approach and a preventative approach, rather than picking from a choice of services that happen to be available. I am really interested in that approach. You mentioned the costs that are associated with it, but Enable has said that, actually, most of the time, it does not cost more, which is interesting. What recommendations would you like us to make in our report to ensure that that issue is front and centre in the bill and that we have it covered?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

I noted that COSLA’s submission talked about the bill failing to

“address the difficult issue set out in the Independent Review of Adult Social Care, that of profit within the sector.”

Its submission also said that

“Private sector provision ... accounts for 76 per cent of care home provision.”

So, it is really about profiteering rather than reinvestment. Should reform of non-residential and residential care funding be included in the national care service bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Stephanie Callaghan

Thank you, Mr Feeley, for all your work so far and your on-going work.

I have heard some criticism that the bill is not sufficiently focused on prevention and early intervention. There is not much mention of that in the bill or in the memorandum. Is that an issue, or is that part of the human rights-based approach to the bill? Is there something else that we should do to put prevention and intervention more at the centre of the framework bill?