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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Sorry, Chris—my point came back to me. I apologise.

We have already heard that we are at a tipping point for reaching critical mass. As the industry works towards reducing methane, farmers will exodus from the beef sector in numbers if they cannot make that pay. If it is simply not viable, they will not do it. However, if we take the time to allow that science to develop, we will make sure that that critical mass stays where it is. If we do not, we will be importing those products from other parts of the world. Have you worked out which one is, on balance, more favourable?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

The frustration that I have with this session is the fact that we are speaking to representatives of five different sectors all at the one time. Those sectors all have different baselines and different required outcomes. We could have had a session with each of you, because the picture is just too complex.

However, I will try to be as concise as I can be, because we are short of time. Jackie McCreery talked about having a baseline measure. How do we get one, given that different farmers are starting at different levels across all sectors? How does the Government find a baseline level to work from? Andy, I will start with you, because it is clear that you would like to respond.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Okay. I will move on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Who has not moved enough with the times?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have one other question, which is about diversification. I promise I will be quick.

You talk about reducing nitrogen waste. We have a massive issue with food waste in this country. A plant near where I live is turning food waste into liquid nitrogen to feed grass. Does that work on arable?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I return to the fact that the system in Scotland is predominantly grass based. Both of you have said that things can be intensified, but with hill farms, livestock numbers are pretty much set by the hill in question. Given that, I want to ask a couple of questions. First, is the introduction of methane-reducing feed part of your calculations on emissions? Secondly, how does the UK livestock production system compare with other countries that are involved in, say, beef and sheep production?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Okay. Let us look at a hill setting. Am I not right in thinking that there is new science on the types of greenhouse gases that are being emitted? I also want to come back to Chris Stark about methane reduction levels, because there is now science around reducing methane through feed, but we can do that in a second or two.

Right now, the science says that the best way to renew grassland is to graze it and then to take the livestock off it. Hill farmers generally have a stocking rate that is based on the viability of their hill. I have absolutely no problem with planting trees to make a hill more viable, but, when it comes to reducing the numbers of livestock and planting trees, has any calculation been done on how much carbon is released by breaking up the hill soil in the first place when planting trees? How do you intensify a hill farm and still make it profitable?