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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

In that case, I will bring in Fulton MacGregor and then Jamie Hepburn. I remind members that we are still on part 1.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

We will have to move on, so thank you for that. I will bring in Liam Kerr, followed by Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

I will draw a line under that line of questioning, because we are well over time and there is still one final question to be asked, which is on the financial memorandum.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Does Charlie Pound want to come in on that point?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. We will leave that issue there, because I do not think that there is any argument that there is scope to improve data collection. Some of that derives from practice and society moving on.

Rona Mackay wants to ask a question that relates to comments made by the Minister for Victims and Community Safety at our last meeting.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Ms Gosal, my specific question was more about your views on the assertion that the resource requirement for part 1 of the bill would draw existing resources away from services that, as you have acknowledged, are already under some financial strain.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

I think that Jamie Hepburn wants to come in on the Finance and Public Administration Committee correspondence. As we are well over time, I must ask him to be very brief.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Ms Gosal, I wonder whether I can draw a line under this point. Ms Mackay has made a clear point. I agree that the comments that Ms Mackay referenced were made by you, but we really need to move on in the interest of time. Thank you, both.

I will end our questions on part 1 of the bill. We are short of time, so I propose that we extend the session by around about 15 minutes, if that is suitable for Ms Gosal and others on the panel.

With that, I will move to part 2. I have one question, which is on the assessment of offenders for rehabilitation. Ms Gosal, the committee has heard evidence about the inconsistency of availability of rehabilitation programmes and services. I do not think that there is any doubt about that. There is scope for a lot more to be provided across Scotland. However, we also heard evidence that it was not particularly clear how the provisions in your bill would address that.

I will therefore ask you this brief question—and I ask for a brief answer. Do you agree that, rather than introducing additional legislation and having everything that goes with that, there is scope to continue to develop and expand existing rehabilitation programmes and services that do not require the underpinning aspect of legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

I bring in Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Audrey Nicoll

I welcome everyone to the first meeting in 2026 of the Criminal Justice Committee and wish you all a very happy new year. First, I apologise to everyone that I am having to attend and convene the meeting remotely; that is due in part to bad weather but also to illness. Under the current interpretation of our rules, if the convener is participating at all, even remotely, they are required to chair the meeting. In the event that we experience any difficulties or interruptions with my remote connection, the deputy convener will chair proceedings until I am able to rejoin the meeting; I am grateful to Liam Kerr for his assistance in that regard.

We have received no apologies this morning.

Our first item of business is an evidence-taking session on the Prevention of Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Bill. We have one panel of witnesses, and I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for this session. I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

I welcome Pam Gosal MSP, the member in charge of the bill; Roz Thomson, principal clerk of the non-Government bills unit; Ailidh Callander, senior solicitor in the legal services office at the Scottish Parliament; and Charlie Pound, head of policy and research for the Scottish Conservative MSP group.

Before we start, I remind you all to be as succinct as you can in your questions and answers. For ease of convening the session, I propose to take a chronological approach to questions on the bill—that is, we will go through parts 1 to 4 of the bill sequentially. I ask members to indicate to the clerks when they wish to come in, either with a question or a supplementary, at the relevant point.

I invite Pam Gosal to make a short opening statement.