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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

In that case, I will bring in Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that is fascinating. Does Jim Smith or Gillian Walker want to come in on that point?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is fascinating, and it is great to hear about those plans and to be able to understand that work.

We will wind things up there unless anyone has any final points to make. Thank you very much, everybody. We have covered a lot this morning, which has been really helpful. Next week, we will continue to take evidence as part of our inquiry, and we will focus on the work of the Scottish Prison Service—we are gluttons for punishment—and the national health service. We will now move into private session.

12:14 Meeting continued in private until 13:03.  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. The committee welcomed the detail in the submission from the Prison Officers Association. It contained a lot of helpful detail that set the scene in relation to what your colleagues are dealing with and what they think about that.

My colleague Liam Kerr and I visited His Majesty’s Prison Grampian in the summer, where we learned about the shift towards focus day arrangements. I am interested in your thoughts on whether that initiative is making things more difficult for staff and whether it is the right thing to do. Do you have a view on that shift, in the context of drug use, which is the focus of the committee’s inquiry?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

You spoke about the pressure on staff because of the situation created by the presence of substances. How important is it that staff are able to build relationships with prisoners? We have taken evidence on the value of that with regard to rehabilitation and the population being settled. To what extent is the ability to have more engagement and time with prisoners being compromised at the moment?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will bring in Pauline McNeill.

10:00  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

In the few minutes that we have left, I will ask a couple of final questions. Your submission refers to vapes being used to smoke drugs in prison. I suppose that it is difficult to stop that, because they are innocuous things to bring into prisons or for prisoners to have. Do you have a view on how to address the use of vapes and what else could be put in place to tackle their use for the consumption of substances?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is good to hear.

We are out of time. If no members want to come back in, I ask the witnesses for any final comments on anything that we have not covered in the meeting. I am sure that there is lots that we have not covered.

As they do not want to add anything, I thank the witnesses for coming. The session has been very helpful for the committee.

I suspend the meeting for about five minutes to allow a change of witnesses.

10:36 Meeting suspended.  

10:45 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

You made a point about services—local services, in particular—that the Scottish Prison Service engages with. Rather than bodies such as Police Scotland, I mean alcohol and drug partnerships, local social work teams and so on. We know that those services are a crucial part of the staff family in prisons and that they do hugely important work to support the provision of rehabilitation and wellbeing support in the prison environment.

Funding and budgets are always under pressure. Given what we are discussing today, how important is it that local services such as the Scottish Recovery Consortium, Sustainable Interventions Supporting Change Outside and others are able to continue the work that they seek to do in the prison setting? Will you be able to continue to facilitate that work, given the size of the prison population at the moment? What difficulties do you face with that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Rona Mackay, do you have a supplementary?