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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that helpful clarification. That brings us to the end of the session. Thank you both very much indeed—it has been a very worthwhile session.

We will have a short suspension to allow our witnesses to change over.

11:07

Meeting suspended.

11:12

On resuming—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for your opening remarks. I know that members are keen to drill into some of the points that you have raised in your opening statement, but I will kick things off by referring to your submission, which helpfully flags not only the fact that an internal review is taking place on reform of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and its delivery, and the impact of the budget in that respect, but the implications of the public service reform strategy. There is quite a lot going on that you, as a union, and the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service are having to grapple with.

Bearing all that context in mind, and given what you have just outlined, what do you want to see—or what would you like to see—in the next year or the next three years that would change the position that you are in? What do you need? You have talked about where we are with regard to the budget, but how will that need to change to bring things up to an acceptable and sustainable level?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

I will go to Rona Mackay before I come in with a couple of final points.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Forgive my ignorance, but I presume that you are referring to UK legislation.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

The next item of business is an evidence-taking session on the challenges and reforms facing the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. We have two panels of witnesses, and I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

For our first panel, I welcome from the Fire Brigades Union Colin Brown, executive council member for Scotland, and John McKenzie, Scottish regional secretary. It is nice to see you both.

As usual, I remind everyone to be succinct in their questions and responses. I now invite Colin Brown or John McKenzie to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

We are coming up to noon, which was our scheduled finishing time, but there are still a couple of members who would like to come in with questions. If you can bear with us, we will run over a bit.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

We will move on to our second panel of witnesses, who are our colleagues from the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. I welcome Mhairi Wylie, chair of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service board; Stuart Stevens, chief officer; Andy Watt, deputy chief officer; and Deborah Stanfield, interim director of finance and contractual services.

Thank you very much for your submission. I note the follow-up correspondence on progress on the review, which all MSPs received this morning.

You heard the evidence from our first panel, and there will be quite a lot to work through. I ask Mhairi or Stuart to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

The committee understands that, given the volume of feedback and the time that it is taking to work through it.

My second question is on firefighter safety. You stated that you know about the risks that your members face from the lack of decontamination facilities or reduced staff numbers. Do you see a risk of compensation claims from injured members in the future? What financial burden could that place on the service?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

A very good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2026 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have no apologies.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Audrey Nicoll

That is helpful. We are as disappointed as you are—we have put that on the record—with the overall justice budget, and in particular with the budget settlement for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service. There is no doubt about that.

We have limited time—around 60 minutes—and I am keen for members to come in, so I will hand over to Liam Kerr and then bring in Pauline McNeill.