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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

That is my point, Mr Kerr. Do we want to do government by newspaper leaks?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

If Mr Graham could give a bit of detail, that might be helpful.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I think that that is a known unknown at the moment, Mr Kerr, to answer your entirely reasonable question. I will just say that I think that it is in everybody’s interest to make progress on all of these things as quickly as we can. The threat to us all in Europe is very real. The requirement to have everything at the disposal of our armed forces so they can do the job that they must do is a priority for everybody. Similarly, it matters for our economy and for all the other areas of the potential agreement that these things proceed at pace.

However, I do not think that there is clarity yet as to whether there will be a different delivery date—if you want to call it that—for what Mr Kerr quite rightly points out are three distinct parts of what emerged from the UK-EU summit. As soon as we have any clarity on that, I will be content to share that with the committee.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

That has been agreed with the United Kingdom.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

Convener, I am sure that you wish me to stick within the requirements of this particular evidence session. However, I say to Mr Kerr that there is an elegant solution to the conundrum that he highlights, which is that, just as for the 27 nations that sit at the top table in the council of ministers, that nominate a commissioner and that have members of the European Parliament, the best solution for Scotland’s future optimal relations with the European Union is for us to be a member state.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

The good news is that I do not think that we need to reinvent the wheel in the devolved context. We had a review of intergovernmental relations, which were looked into in great detail by this committee and others and were broadly welcomed. Everybody declared their willingness to make the structures work.

Since the new UK Government has come in, there has been a difference in tone, in that there is an avowal that the processes are there and that they should work and that it wants to have good relations with devolved Administrations. As is the nature of these things, some bits of the UK Government are better than others at understanding why things matter and why intergovernmental processes should be prioritised.

A reasonable amount of time has elapsed since the new Government took office, which is enough for us to understand what it wants to do, how it will do it and what processes are in place. We have moved beyond the very general declarations that were made at the start on willingness to make things work, to reset and to do things better, and we are now at the point where the questions are: “Are the meetings taking place?”, “Are they discussing substance?” and so on.

As for public consultation, it is not for me to do the job of a committee, but I would have thought that the committee could take evidence in public, involving people from the UK Government—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

No—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I have not seen the minutes, but I am happy to update the committee on that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I do not want Mr Kerr to be under any illusions: the UK Government is very well aware of the concerns that intergovernmental relations are not working properly.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

There is nothing that I can add in detail to Mr Kerr’s entirely reasonable question save what I outlined before, which was shared from the European Union side with the Scottish Government, about the fact that there will be an annual summit between the UK and the EU. That is not unhelpful in making sure that there is a focus on making progress on all those things.

It really matters that progress is made on the defence and security side of things, as well as on everything else. Now that the headline agreement on what one expects out of the process—the detail is still to be worked out—will be progressed this year, I have no doubt—