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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 February 2026
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

I am explaining that, as part of the process of appointing a new chief executive officer, it was explained to me that it would be good to have a chief executive officer who would be able to deal with—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Indeed. I understand Mr Kerr’s question. I will revert to Kenneth Hogg, who is sitting next to me, to tell you what might have crossed the desk of the sponsorship team, but I am just explaining from my point of view when the things that reached me were at a serious enough level that one had to consider options.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

The Scottish Government’s sponsorship team will have been aware of issues that would have been flagged. I cannot recall exactly when the first whistleblowing messages were sent out, but I know that they were shared with committee members, so I am assuming that Mr Kerr will have seen them. I think that it would be fair to say that there was a crescendo of information.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Not only were all those matters shared with us by whistleblowers; they were things that were, and have been, increasingly covered in the media, especially in the past year. I do not recall those issues being flagged publicly much before then.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

If I can finish my answer, Mr Kerr. After she had taken up office, it then became increasingly clear—and it was reported back to me—that issues of concern within Historic Environment Scotland were beginning to be reflected in a disconnect between the board and the incoming chief executive.

I made a judgment in all of this, notwithstanding the fact that there might have been one or more strains of challenge—in other words, generic challenges. After all, as we know, all organisations have human resources issues.

But in terms of this accelerating into such a serious problem that the Scottish Government sponsorship team and I as the cabinet secretary became aware of it—bearing in mind the point I made previously that the organisation is operationally independent—it was the deterioration of the relationship between the board and the chief executive after she had taken up office and the beginnings of grievance procedures that meant that the issue became something of an altogether different order.

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

These are organisationally independent bodies.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

Mr Kerr asked me very politely what powers are at my disposal in terms of the answerability of the leadership of a non-departmental public body—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

A particular power that is at my disposal relates to the extension of periods of office for the likes of the chairman of a board. It is a matter of public record that I did not extend—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

It would have been totally improper for me to have met senior representatives of the board, including the chairman of the board, who was subject to a grievance procedure.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 29 January 2026

Angus Robertson

I, as the cabinet secretary, had ultimate responsibility for, among other things, whether the chairman of the board should continue in office. Because those processes were under way, the understanding within Government was that it would be inappropriate for me to meet directly with, especially, the chairman of the board in those circumstances.

I am satisfied that that would have been the correct response from me at the time. Now that we have moved beyond that chairman of the board being in office, we have moved rapidly to ensure that there is new leadership and that the issues that have caused concern to Mr Kerr and to me are not only being managed, going forward, to ensure that they are dealt with, but also being investigated by somebody of unimpeachable authority who has begun the investigation into the matter.