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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

No, this is the entire range of what is in the agreement.

I expect there to be progress on everything, because if there were not a willingness to make progress on those points, they would not have been part of the agreement. Nobody has said subsequently, either from the EU side or from the UK side, that that is not important or that there is not an interest in making those things happen. It is a package, but, of course, there are different interests from the European Union side and its member states, and from the UK side.

I would expect there to be progress on all of those things, but you have challenged me to say when I think that the committee will be able to scrutinise the details of a proposed SPS agreement. I am not in a position to answer that, but I give the committee the commitment that, the next time I meet with the UK Government, I will raise the questions of when the committee can expect to see documentation and text on that.

10:30  

I make the point again that we saw no documentation and no text as part of the process in the run-up to the agreement, and I will be making the point with the UK Government that that is not the way to deal with the Scottish Government or with Welsh or Northern Irish colleagues as part of the agreement process. Our committees and our Parliaments need to see the detail as soon as possible.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I hope not—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

Oh, I very much think that, unless the United Kingdom had agreed the terms of the headline agreement, the dynamic alignment would not have passed go.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I am sorry—there were no formal discussions between the Scottish Government and any European Union member state or any individual institution. Officials from representative offices and embassies talk to one another about progress that is being made and about what is understood to be happening. That is the way in which civil servants talk to one another. It is not common practice for there to be formal records of discussions in passing between officials. Mr Bibby knows that that is not the way in which such things operate.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I have made my view clear to the UK Government that, unless the process changes, I am at the end of the road. We cannot have the United Kingdom reaching significant agreements on very important devolved responsibilities, with the system not working properly because the United Kingdom Government chooses for it not to work properly. We are at the end of the road. If the situation does not improve, there will not have been a reset, because what is happening now is the same as what happened under the previous UK Government.

It is a fact that meetings have been cancelled. It is a fact that documents and details have not been shared. It is a fact that we can learn more from the front page of the Financial Times or by speaking with diplomats from other countries. That is not how we should be doing things. That should matter to everybody on the committee—those from all parties. There is zero defence for what is happening.

It is not a case of two partners not wishing to have the best of relations. We in Scotland, along with our colleagues in Wales and Northern Ireland, are trying to make this work, but the process for the UK-EU summit agreement did not work. Very soon, we will be able to see, based on how the UK Government acts in relation to its negotiating mandate and its relations with the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish Governments, the detail that the committee has asked me about. Proper inclusion involves consultation, not just read-outs of what the UK Government is negotiating on our behalf. Very soon, we will see whether there has been improvement. I am as interested as the committee is in UK ministers answering those questions in public and in detail.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I am sure that it did come up. I did not attend the meeting that Mr Kerr—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I think that it is really important that—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

No. There were no formal discussions between the Scottish Government and European Union member states—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I will revert to the committee.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Angus Robertson

I agree with Mr Harvie that structural changes are needed in a devolved context, although I do not believe that devolved governance is the optimal solution for Scotland’s governance. I agree that, unless there is a requirement on the UK Government to have better intergovernmental relations, that will too often, sadly, just not be a priority. That is not good enough.