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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 May 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Good morning and welcome to the 24th meeting of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee in 2022. We have received apologies this morning from Brian Whittle.

This morning, we will continue our inquiry into the impact of the pandemic on the Scottish labour market. I would like to welcome to the meeting Susie Fitton, policy manager, Inclusion Scotland, who joins us remotely; Pamela Smith, head of economy and poverty, Public Health Scotland, who joins us in person; Professor Sir Aziz Sheikh, professor of primary care research and development, director of the Usher institute and dean of data, University of Edinburgh, who joins us in person; and Gerry McCartney, professor of wellbeing, University of Glasgow, who joins us remotely.

Thank you all for giving us your time this morning and for your written submissions. We estimate that this session will run up to about 10.20, and each member should have about 15 minutes each to speak to the panel and to ask their questions.

If the witnesses who are attending remotely this morning would like to respond to any issues that are being discussed, they should type R in the chat box and we will try to bring them in. I am keen to ensure that everyone gets an opportunity to speak. I apologise in advance that, if time runs on too much, I may have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interests of brevity.

Could I ask the witnesses to briefly introduce themselves?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you very much.

We now turn to questions, and I will begin with Inclusion Scotland. Susie Fitton, thank you for your very detailed written submission. The committee has a keen interest in further investigating long Covid. Your submission says that nearly 4 per cent of people in Scotland are currently living with long Covid, which is around 202,000 people. Of those, 83,000 people have done so for more than 12 months and 44,000 are reporting that it affects their ability to undertake day-to-day activities.

One of the things that I found quite worrying in the submission was the fact that early studies suggest that at least half of those with long Covid meet the diagnostic criteria for ME. We know that ME is a profoundly debilitating neurological disease that can affect multiple systems in the body. I understand that, prior to Covid, there were 21,000 people with ME in Scotland. I note that a substantial proportion of long Covid sufferers are experiencing similar illnesses, which will have a direct impact on their ability to work. I note that you feel that action is urgently needed to address this problem. What would you like to see the Government doing to address that problem?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, Susie. That is very helpful.

I will move on to the link between long-term sickness and economic inactivity. Scotland has a higher proportion of 16 to 64-year-olds who are inactive because of long-term sickness when compared with the rest of the United Kingdom; in Scotland, the figure has increased to 7 per cent, compared with 5.4 per cent in the rest of the UK. Why is Scotland relatively worse than the rest of the UK? On an international scale, how do we explain the continued rise in the UK inactivity figures in comparison to other Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries, where the figures are declining?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Professor Sheikh wants to come in.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

I put the same question to Tom Waters. We have two Toms with W names, so I will have to say your full names.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

I will bring in Alex Rowley now and then go back to Tom Wernham.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

I know that Professor McCartney wants to come in, but could I ask a quick question? Do you know why the figures are so much higher in Scotland than the rest of the UK?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Would any members or witnesses like to make any final comments?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2022 of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee. Today we begin our inquiry on the impact of the pandemic on the Scottish labour market.

I welcome our witnesses to the meeting. Dr Hannah Randolph is an economic and policy analyst at the Fraser of Allander Institute. Joining us in person is Professor Steve Fothergill, who is from the centre for regional economic and social research at Sheffield Hallam University and the national director of the Industrial Communities Alliance. Tony Wilson is director of the Institute for Employment Studies. David Freeman is the head of labour market and households at the Office for National Statistics. Louise Murphy is an economist for the Resolution Foundation.

Thank you for giving us your time this morning and for your written submissions. We estimate that the session will run up to 10:30. Each member should have approximately 14 minutes to speak to the panel and ask their question.

I ask those who are present to please catch my eye if they would like to come in at any point. If the witnesses who are attending remotely would like to respond to an issue that is being discussed, please type “R” in the chat box and we will bring you in. I am keen to ensure that everyone gets an opportunity to speak. I apologise in advance: if time runs away from us too much, I might have to interrupt members or witnesses in the interests of brevity.

I invite the witnesses to introduce themselves briefly.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, everyone, and welcome. I will begin by asking the first question.

As I said, I thank the witnesses for their written submissions. There is a lot of evidence for us to look through in the papers. A common theme throughout the submissions is that an in-depth analysis of the impact of the pandemic on the Scottish labour market specifically has been difficult, given the lack of available Scotland-specific data. What could the Scottish Government do to improve the amount of available data on the Scottish labour market specifically?