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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

That is fine.

Even in the unlikely scenario where a section 46 offence was deemed relevant by the police for the purposes of a level 2 PVG—protecting vulnerable groups—scheme disclosure, the individual would have the right to request a review of that or other relevant information before it is disclosed to an employer. Inclusion of such information is subject to a statutory test.

I need to reiterate that the new Police Scotland approach prioritises women’s safety and routing them to support, as opposed to criminalising them, and convictions for such an offence are therefore less likely to be accrued, given the general policing approach to such behaviour. I can provide further information on that. The same approach applies if an individual is asked by someone, for example, an employer, to self-declare their convictions. A section 46 conviction does not need to be self-declared once it is spent, regardless of the time of disclosure or the role. A system of disregards could be considered, which would introduce a process whereby convictions could be removed entirely from ever having to be disclosed in the criminal records check. However, that would have to be developed for the bill. It could be considered, but it is not something that we have been doing any work on. That would have to be for the member in charge.

A level 2 PVG disclosure, which is commonly referred to as a “PVG scheme”, is a legal requirement for people in a regulated role with children or protected adults, such as a teacher, a nursery or day-care worker, a volunteer, a childminder, a social worker, a doctor, a dentist, a sports coach or an adult care-home worker. A PVG scheme shows any unspent convictions, certain spent convictions, any notification requirements, unspent cautions and other relevant information that is held by the police. Those who are on a barred list for work with children or adults or who are under consideration for inclusion on the barred list for work with children or protected adults, or who have been served any prescribed civil court order, are members of the protecting vulnerable groups scheme, and members of the PVG scheme are subject to continuous monitoring in that situation.

I can move on to level 2 from the barred list check. Do you want me to keep going, convener?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

One of the things that the member has acknowledged is the increase in online prostitution. If it is 80 per cent now—

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

I have raised those concerns previously. There is an evolving world online. We face challenges today that we did not face a decade ago, and there will be new challenges in 10 years’ time. When the Nordic model was introduced in Sweden in 1999, the online business that we have now did not exist, so that was not taken into consideration. It is a huge worry that we have to be on top of these days.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

Yes, but I have raised concerns—there are elements that we agree with and elements that we want further detail on. It would be premature for me to be dismissive of Ms Regan’s bill at this stage and to say that we will commit to carrying it over into the next parliamentary session. I am not against doing that and would be happy to do so if the SNP were in government in the next session, but that commitment would have to come from the First Minister. However, I can commit that there will be on-going work on how we can legislate in the future is this bill does not pass.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

We engage regularly with Police Scotland, especially on operation begonia, and also with the Crown Office. I will bring Jeff Gibbons in, as he is the one who has those discussions.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

I would have to see the detail. At this stage, I am staying neutral and will not commit the Government to supporting the bill. Once I have the detail, I will consider it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

I had a briefing last week from Linda Thompson from the Women’s Support Project. She does a snapshot every year and she gave me a preview of last year’s snapshot, which looked at about 100 women across Scotland. It goes into the complex areas of poverty, drug addiction and mental health issues. It is a very good report, and I think that the committee would benefit from seeing it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

Based on our conversations with Police Scotland and the work that it is doing at the moment, I think that the police are not targeting the women; they are targeting the men.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 November 2025

Siobhian Brown

I think that I have touched on that. I have concerns that they are not realistic. We need to have more detail, especially with regard to the support aspect of the bill. I do not know how much that would cost; I think that the suggestion is that the money would come from the funds for the equally safe strategy, which have already been allocated. The member must supply more detail if we are to work out how much the bill will cost. We want legislation to be affordable and workable.