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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Siobhian Brown

I am confident that Police Scotland takes recommendations from the PIRC seriously. As Mr Fraser knows, ministers have no role in the investigation of complaint handling reviews against Police Scotland.

It is not appropriate for me to comment on cases that are subject to an independent process. We also do not comment on operational matters relating to Police Scotland, in order to ensure that Scotland’s criminal justice system remains free from political interference.

I understand that the PIRC has made recommendations about Mr Fraser’s case, and I am sure that Police Scotland is currently considering the issue and will respond in due course.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

General Question Time

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Siobhian Brown

I am always happy to go on visits to fire stations and listen to members of the SFRS. However, we have to be clear that the SFRS is undertaking staff and union engagement on the matter. The final list of possible changes will be subject to public consultation and it has not yet been finalised.

I am not hiding—it is just not appropriate for me to comment on individual options at this stage. The SFRS board and the chief officer are best placed to take decisions on how resources should be deployed, and it would be inappropriate for a minister to direct the SFRS on how it should deploy its resources. This is not a cuts exercise; it is about the SFRS carefully examining the risks that are present in our communities and configuring its resources in the best possible way to deal with those risks.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

General Question Time

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Siobhian Brown

The changes that the Fire and Rescue Service is consulting on have been very carefully considered using substantial evidence and analysis of risk.

As I have said, I am always open to visiting fire stations and hearing directly from those on the front line, and I will speak to my private office about organising a visit. As I set out in my original answer, there will be a full public consultation where everyone will have the opportunity to make their views known.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

General Question Time

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Siobhian Brown

The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is carrying out a service delivery review to ensure that its fire stations, appliances and crews are in the right place at the right time to deal with the current and future risks in our communities. Following pre-consultation engagement last year, the SFRS developed a list of possible service changes, and it is currently undertaking staff and trade union engagement on those proposals in advance of undertaking a full public consultation in the summer. I encourage anyone with an interest to engage in that consultation. The SFRS board will then carefully consider the responses in advance of any final decisions being made.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Siobhian Brown

The Scottish Government notes that the bill would make the theft of an assistance dog an aggravated offence. As a result, the court would be required to consider whether the sentence given should be enhanced to reflect the significance of taking an assistance dog. That is one of the issues that the committee will be required to carefully consider as the bill is scrutinised. I note from Mr Golden’s letter to the committee of 18 April that he had engaged with stakeholders such as Guide Dogs Forfar, the Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and Dogs Trust to inform the proposal.

I would like to know more from Maurice Golden about the evidence base to support and justify the position that the emotional impact on victims is not sufficiently considered during sentencing under current law. In the committee’s evidence-taking session on 26 March, the representatives from Police Scotland and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service highlighted that the police

“would have to be able to demonstrate that the accused knew that the dog was an assistance dog to be able to prove the aggravation.”

At the same evidence session, Stuart Munro from the Law Society of Scotland was also clear that

“the sentencing process is already structured in a way that should allow”

information about the impact of the theft of an assistance dog

“to be properly taken into account.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 26 March 2025; c 20-21.]

If somebody actively seeks to steal an assistance dog, our existing law already reflects that as being worthy of a more serious penalty. We are interested in hearing Mr Golden’s views on that when you take evidence from him.

I will bring in Mr Wilson.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Siobhian Brown

Yes—my personal opinion at this stage is that it is a bit over the top, unless there is a justification from Mr Golden that would change my view.

Mr Wilson, do you have any further views on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Siobhian Brown

We would be keen to hear from Mr Golden about his reasoning in that regard and how he would envisage those provisions moving forward. As I said at the beginning of the session, we are taking a neutral stance on the bill and we will be keen to see the committee’s stage 1 report. Nevertheless, as the Scottish Government, we have to ensure, as the process moves forward, that the bill is legislatively competent, so that it can be enacted, and I will be looking at that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Siobhian Brown

In Mr Golden’s response to the committee, which was published on the website yesterday, he indicates that the reasoning for setting out

“The list of information the annual report should contain”

is so that

“sound and robust data on dog thefts is collated and reported on.”

However, it may be considered unnecessary to place an annual reporting requirement on the Scottish Government for something that is considered to be low-level crime and on which we can already obtain statistics from the Crown Office.

Mr Golden’s response notes that the bill also

“includes the provision that the report must set out whether the Scottish Ministers consider whether there should be a statutory offence for the theft of any other animal kept as a pet.”

I am sure that every member has received emails in relation to that.

It would be welcome to get some further information from Mr Golden when he appears before the committee on 21 May as to the reasons for including that provision in the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Siobhian Brown

The points that Ariane Burgess raises are valuable. I would like the expert advisory group to be able to look at all those issues moving forward.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Siobhian Brown

No, we have not.