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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 May 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. I will start the questioning.

With the great benefit of hindsight, we can all acknowledge that no country on the planet was prepared for Covid when it hit. In my opinion, Governments around the world have a moral duty to reflect on the past two years, learn lessons and put in place measures to ensure that we are never again in the position in which we found ourselves in March 2020.

On 21 February, the Prime Minister confirmed that certain temporary provisions for England relating to improvements in the delivery of public services will be made permanent via the Westminster bills.

As we move forward to put in place legislation to keep the public safe in the future, what principles do you believe underpin good-quality and effective legislation for emergency situations? We will start with Professor de Londras.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Good morning and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2022 of the COVID-19 Recovery Committee. This morning, we will take evidence on the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.

I warmly welcome our first panel of witnesses, who are all participating virtually: Professor Fiona de Londras, professor of global legal studies, Covid-19 review observatory, University of Birmingham; Anthony Smith, chief executive of the Westminster Foundation for Democracy; and Professor Paul Hunter, professor in medicine, Norwich medical school, University of East Anglia. Thank you for giving us your time.

This will be the first of the committee’s evidence sessions on the bill, and we will start by looking at the public health measures in part 1. We will take evidence on the bill at two further meetings—on 10 and 24 March—before we hear from the Deputy First Minister on 31 March.

Each member will have approximately eight minutes in which to speak to the panel and ask their questions. If a witness would like to respond to an issue that is being discussed, I ask them please to type R in the chat box and we will try to bring them in. I am keen to ensure that everyone gets an opportunity to speak. I apologise in advance, therefore: if time runs on too much, I may have to interrupt members or witnesses, in the interests of brevity.

I ask the witnesses briefly to introduce themselves.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you. I think that there is a slight problem with your sound. We could hear you, but it was a bit fainter than the previous witness’s sound.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

It is slightly better.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

Thank you, Mr Smith. I ask Professor Hunter the same question: what do you believe are the principles that underpin good-quality and effective legislation?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I thank the witnesses for their evidence and for giving us their time this morning. If you would like to raise any further evidence with the committee, you can do so in writing, and the clerks will be happy to liaise with you about how to do that.

I briefly suspend the meeting in order to allow a change of witnesses.

10:27 Meeting suspended.  

10:31 On resuming—  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

We continue to take evidence on the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) Scotland Bill. The second evidence session will focus on the bankruptcy measures in part 3 of the bill. I welcome our second panel: Abbey Fleming, the policy and communications lead at Money Advice Scotland; Jamie MacNeil of the money matters advice service and social work resources at South Lanarkshire Council; Emerita Professor Donna W McKenzie Skene of the school of law at the University of Aberdeen; and David Menzies, the director of practice at the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland. I offer a warm welcome to you all and thank you for giving us your time this morning.

Each member will have approximately eight minutes in which to speak to you and ask their questions. If you would like to respond to an issue that is being discussed, please type R in the chat box and I will try to bring you in. I apologise in advance—if time runs on too much, I may have to interrupt members or witnesses, in the interest of brevity.

As all our witnesses are participating remotely, I ask you all to introduce yourselves to the committee.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I think that we still have technical issues with Professor McKenzie Skene. I will bring you in to see whether we have resolved those issues.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

I am sorry, but we will have to come back to you, because you are cutting out as a result of technical issues. I apologise for that. I will bring in David Menzies.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Siobhian Brown

If we continue to have technical issues with Professor McKenzie Skene’s connection—