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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 December 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

Absolutely. That is vital. I do not know whether you are aware of the work that the Scottish Law Commission is currently doing, too.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

Thank you.

Thank you for the invitation to provide an update on the progress with implementation of part 2 of the Domestic Abuse (Protection) (Scotland) Act 2021. I understand the committee’s concerns that the legislation has not yet been implemented. As we know, domestic abuse is a leading cause of women’s homelessness in Scotland, and social landlords have a vital role to play in keeping tenants safe.

Part 2 of the 2021 act provides social landlords with a new ground to apply to the court for an order that, if granted, will have the effect of enabling the landlord to transfer a tenancy to a victim. That will allow landlords, rather than the victims themselves, to take action in court to transfer the tenancy.

Implementation of part 2 of the 2021 act has taken longer than anticipated and a number of challenges have been identified that we are working through with partner organisations in order to allow the provisions to operate as intended. We have worked closely with the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service on the development of appropriate court rules and changes to court forms.

We have also worked with key stakeholders to develop the secondary legislation that is needed to bring the provisions into force, with the necessary Scottish statutory instruments prepared to support final implementation.

Earlier this year, detailed statutory guidance for social landlords on the use of the new provisions was produced, and the draft was shared with key stakeholders for their views. The feedback has been taken on board and an updated document is being produced. Sharing the draft guidance also brought out further concerns from Police Scotland on information sharing with social landlords, and we are working to find a solution to the issues raised.

We are committed to ensuring that the measures are implemented as intended, and the Government will continue to work towards bringing part 2 of the 2021 act into force in December 2025, although the need to update court rules and resolve the concerns related to information sharing that were raised by the police might affect the timetable.

I will stop there, convener, to let members ask questions.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

The legislative process took place at pace because it was during Covid. We were trying to provide for protection orders, and we are now dealing with the aftermath. Stage 3 amendments on which background work might not have been done in relation to their operation might have been agreed to. That can add delays to implementation of provisions, because we need to do work relating to amendments that were agreed to. There are lots of lessons to be learned. I do not know whether Jeff Gibbons wants to add anything.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

I will ask Simon Stockwell to respond. There is still a lot of work to be done in relation to the 2020 act, as we still have to work through the amendments that I referred to. Simon, if we assume that the act is a priority for the next Government, what timescale do you realistically envisage for implementing the child welfare reporters register, for example?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

I thank Ms McNair for that question. I know that the committee recently finished its evidence taking on civil legal aid, and I look forward to your report and your recommendations from that.

I think that there is scope for consideration of that suggestion, but as I said in a previous evidence session, I have some concerns about removing means testing in this area. There would be a cost to the public purse, and to ensure equality, we might need to automatically give legal aid to the defender—the person who is alleged to have caused harm—as well as to the applicant. It is quite a complex area and I am open to suggestions on how we move forward. That is worth considering.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

I am grateful to have the opportunity to outline our approach to implementation of the Children (Scotland) Act 2020. I set out our plans in my letter of 11 March to you, convener. We remain committed to implementing the 2020 act in full.

To date, the Scottish Government has made three sets of commencement regulations in relation to the 2020 act. The most recent set will commence provisions to amend requirements when a parent or another person with parental responsibilities and rights is making a major decision about a child’s life. Those provisions will commence on 21 September this year. Those regulations also commenced, as of two days ago, provisions that require a court, when considering a child’s welfare in a range of proceedings, to consider whether any delay in those proceedings would negatively affect the child.

We will also lay SSIs in September this year to bring in the regulation of child contact centres. Laying instruments as soon as we can will provide clarity on how regulation will work.

We will lay a further commencement SSI later this year, in October. It will cover a number of areas, including the remainder of section 1 of the 2020 act, on the views of children in court cases in areas such as child contact; sections 2 and 3, on views of children in relation to adoption and permanence proceedings and children’s hearings proceedings; section 16, on factors for the courts to consider before making an order on matters such as child contact and residence; section 18, on the duty on the courts to consider the child’s best interests when allowing access to information; and section 30(2), on delay in relation to child contact and residence cases.

There is still more work to do. For example, the planned register of child welfare reporters is a key provision of the 2020 act. Child welfare reporters can play a key role in contact and residence cases—they provide reports to the sheriff who is hearing the case and they interview key people, including the child who will be at the centre of the case. We have re-established the child welfare reporter working group, which will look back at changes that were made previously and look forward to the implementation of the register.

I hope that that brief introduction reassures the committee that implementation of the 2020 act is taking place and is continuing and that we recognise the need to implement legislation. The 2020 act is particularly important, given that it is about children. I am happy to answer any questions.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

I will ask Simon Stockwell to confirm this, but I understand that we will lay the SSIs that I just referred to—in relation to sections 1, 2, 3, 16, 18 and 30—in October this year and that the provisions will come into effect in October 2026. However, the lead-in time for the child contact centre SSIs will be a bit longer, at 18 months.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

That is all considered when thinking about how we move forward with everything. I do not know whether Jeff Gibbons or Matt Elsby wants to add anything.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Siobhian Brown

Thank you very much. Good morning, committee. Convener, I have an opening statement on part 1 of the Domestic Abuse (Protection) (Scotland) Act 2021 and another on the housing aspect, which is in part 2. Is that all right?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Siobhian Brown

Good morning. I am grateful to the committee for inviting me to contribute to your considerations on civil legal aid.

I recently took the opportunity to meet staff from grant-funded projects, and I heard at first hand about their excellent work and the services that they deliver to people across Scotland. I note that many of the issues that have been raised with the committee are similar to the discussions that I have had about the need for change.

The Government recognises that reform of the current system is needed and that there are challenges in certain areas with certain types of legal aid work. The recently published discussion paper on legal aid reform sets out a programme of work for the rest of 2025-26. Our first priority is to engage with stakeholders on draft regulations and associated impact assessments. Those changes will make it easier both for solicitors to work with legal aid funding and for those who need legal assistance to access it.

We will re-initiate fee review planning and collaborate with stakeholders on the reform of legal fees in 2025. We will take the same collaborative approach to developing detailed proposals for future primary legislation, working with SLAB and with private sector and third sector stakeholders to explore areas of diversifying funding methods and embedding users’ voices—something for which those who have responded to the committee’s inquiry have called.

The report of the independent strategic review of legal aid that was carried out, which is entitled “Rethinking Legal Aid—An Independent Strategic Review”, noted:

“Scotland is one of the leading jurisdictions in Europe in the provision of legal aid judged by scope, eligibility and expenditure per capita.”

It went on to say that “in almost all” solemn criminal cases

“the accused will get legal aid”,

and that in civil cases,

“the scope of legal aid in Scotland is broader than very many jurisdictions, with comparatively little excluded”.

However, legal aid does not sit in isolation, and it is an essential component of access to justice. We recognise that legal aid plays a crucial role in upholding the principle of equality before the law by ensuring that those who cannot afford legal representation are not disadvantaged in the justice system. Legal aid funding allows solicitors to deliver their services to people remotely as well as in person, supporting many people with civil problems.

We have maintained the scope and resourcing of legal aid, and the demand-led budget means that all eligible costs are met. That means that legal aid expenditure is likely to reach £174 million in 2025-26, which is an increase of £5 million on last year’s expenditure budget. That will be the highest-ever level, which highlights a trend of increasing levels of expenditure every year. We must ensure that delivering legal aid is fair to those who deliver the services, and it must also be effective and efficient and deliver value to the public purse. We have maintained funding for the Scottish Legal Aid Board’s civil legal advice grant-funded projects, with up to £2.3 million this year.

I am aware of the significant input that the committee has received in aid of the inquiry. It is clear from all the submissions that have been received, and the evidence from the witness sessions, that there is a strong feeling that civil legal aid in Scotland needs reform, and I, and the Scottish Government, share that belief. I am happy to take any questions.